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Emrys

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6. Keith Kellogg, Trump's nominee for Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia,
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:02 PM
Dec 13

has in the past outlined what he'd see as a dual-channel carrot-and-stick strategy for getting peace talks started between the two parties. If Ukraine refused to enter negotiations, the US would threaten to withdraw aid and support. If Russia refused, the US would threaten to arm Ukraine to the hilt. How much of that plan (and Kellogg's reputation) will survive into the cold reality after the inauguration, we'll have to wait and see. Kellogg stated the other day that he felt the conflict could be over in a couple of months, but that timeable is probably based more on Trump's wishful thinking than any sensible estimate. The US is obviously an influential and key parner in NATO, but many of the European powers that support Ukraine don't want it to capitulate (especially in a way that will favour Russia and store up problems for them all in the not-too-distant future). They've been preparing, and if Trump follows past form and threatens to leave NATO if he doesn't get his own way, he might be in for a nasty surprise.

Ukraine has never refused to join in any serious negotiations (in fact, it's held a series of summits in the last year to prepare the way), unlike Russia, with Putin airily waving away the prospects of peace talks earlier in the year because he felt Russia had the upper hand and could improve its bargaining position by "taking" more territory, so it would be stupid to negotiate at that point.

Recently, the Russians have sent mixed messages depending on which apparatchik was being quoted at the time, from a flat refusal to enter any negotiations that involved the US to a grudging and unenthusiastic willingness to hear what might be on offer.

Russia's case for being taken seriously as a negotiating partner isn't helped by the daily bloodthirsty imperialistic tosh that its state-sponsored pundits rant about on Russian media, nor by the starkly genocidal declaration yesterday by ex-Russian President and now Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council Dmitri Medvedev:

Today, Ukraine faces a choice – to be with Russia or to disappear from the world map altogether.

At the same time, Ukrainians are not required to lay down “neither soul nor body” for their freedom. They should humble the pride of “otherness”, refuse to oppose themselves to the all-Russian project and cast out the demons of political Ukrainianism.

Our task is to help the residents of Little Russia and New Russia build Ukraine without the hassle of “Ukrainianism”. To consolidate in the public consciousness that Russia is irreplaceable for Ukraine in cultural, linguistic and political terms.

If the so-called Ukraine continues to follow an aggressive Russophobic course, it will disappear from the world map forever, just as the puppet entity of Manchukuo, artificially created by militaristic Japan as a proxy force on the territory ofChina, once evaporated.

https://interaffairs.ru/news/show/49351

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Sounds like it will take more than a phone call. nt doc03 Dec 13 #1
YET TO PRESENT ANY SPECIFICS OF A PLAN, CONCEPTUAL OR OTHERWISE BOSSHOG Dec 13 #2
Looks like Trump should have kept his powder dry about applegrove Dec 13 #3
Trump has only two settings: 1. Totally ignore 2. Smash mouth power. Irish_Dem Dec 13 #4
Candidate Trump talks tough Johonny Dec 14 #17
He lies a lot. Especially on the campaign trail. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #22
Imagine knowing Stuff BOSSHOG Dec 13 #5
Keith Kellogg, Trump's nominee for Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Emrys Dec 13 #6
OMG it does not look good. applegrove Dec 13 #7
Well, if you listen to Kellogg in interviews he's given Fox News etc. in recent months (before Trump nominated him), Emrys Dec 13 #8
Good. Trump still should have not telegraphed he would applegrove Dec 13 #9
Trump spouts all sorts of things that don't end up happening Emrys Dec 13 #10
Those incursions into Russia are so Ukraine could have bargainning applegrove Dec 13 #11
I was talking about (and I believe Trump was referring to) missile strikes across the border Emrys Dec 13 #13
Okay. I vaguely remember missile strikes at arms depots applegrove Dec 13 #14
There have been many strikes by Ukraine on targets deep in Russia using homegrown drones, Emrys Dec 14 #15
Thanks for the details. applegrove Dec 14 #19
Putin lauded Trump's criticizm of the missiles. He said applegrove Dec 14 #20
Gee, and here I thought His Excellency had it all figured out. Buns_of_Fire Dec 13 #12
So basically Biden solve this so Trump can take the credit Johonny Dec 14 #16
Or Biden can take the blame if peace fails. applegrove Dec 14 #18
I think it might be more about what Putin will demand JI7 Dec 14 #21
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