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Emrys

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8. Well, if you listen to Kellogg in interviews he's given Fox News etc. in recent months (before Trump nominated him),
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:25 PM
Dec 13

it actually sounded less bad than it might have, and certainly less bad than anything Trump's burbled about in public - and here I'm partly reflecting the opinions of some of the Ukrainian figures I read, who are trying to remain, on the face of it optimistic. I'm not in their shoes, so I have to hold out a glimmer of hope on their behalf, much as my personal inclination is to distrust implicitly anything that comes from near Trump.

What Trump and Kellogg have to get through their heads is that the US doesn't get to call all the shots now. There are other parties involved (not least the Ukrainians, of course, who seem to be trying to pander to Trump's ego), and other go-betweens who might be acceptable to both parties (some Middle Eastern powers have been constructive in negotiating prisoner exchanges, for instance). Europe might struggle to fill the gap if the US did abandon NATO (I suspect that's an idle bluff as it would be giving up real and soft power in an arena that's long been part of the US's sense of identity, but who knows with Trump?), but the "coalition of the willing" that's developed is at least talking a good game at the moment, and time is of the essence for Russia. Growing numbers of economists feel that next year will bring a major crash for Putin, and no amount of fiddling the books (as its central bank has been doing for a few years now - let's be polite and call it creative accounting) will be able to cover it up this time.

Kellogg has a least spent some time in Ukraine, which has won him some degree of trust from the Ukrainians, and has recently expressed his intent to spend some time listening to both parties as a first course of action. How much sway he may have with Trump, we'll have to wait and see.

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Sounds like it will take more than a phone call. nt doc03 Dec 13 #1
YET TO PRESENT ANY SPECIFICS OF A PLAN, CONCEPTUAL OR OTHERWISE BOSSHOG Dec 13 #2
Looks like Trump should have kept his powder dry about applegrove Dec 13 #3
Trump has only two settings: 1. Totally ignore 2. Smash mouth power. Irish_Dem Dec 13 #4
Candidate Trump talks tough Johonny Dec 14 #17
He lies a lot. Especially on the campaign trail. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #22
Imagine knowing Stuff BOSSHOG Dec 13 #5
Keith Kellogg, Trump's nominee for Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Emrys Dec 13 #6
OMG it does not look good. applegrove Dec 13 #7
Well, if you listen to Kellogg in interviews he's given Fox News etc. in recent months (before Trump nominated him), Emrys Dec 13 #8
Good. Trump still should have not telegraphed he would applegrove Dec 13 #9
Trump spouts all sorts of things that don't end up happening Emrys Dec 13 #10
Those incursions into Russia are so Ukraine could have bargainning applegrove Dec 13 #11
I was talking about (and I believe Trump was referring to) missile strikes across the border Emrys Dec 13 #13
Okay. I vaguely remember missile strikes at arms depots applegrove Dec 13 #14
There have been many strikes by Ukraine on targets deep in Russia using homegrown drones, Emrys Dec 14 #15
Thanks for the details. applegrove Dec 14 #19
Putin lauded Trump's criticizm of the missiles. He said applegrove Dec 14 #20
Gee, and here I thought His Excellency had it all figured out. Buns_of_Fire Dec 13 #12
So basically Biden solve this so Trump can take the credit Johonny Dec 14 #16
Or Biden can take the blame if peace fails. applegrove Dec 14 #18
I think it might be more about what Putin will demand JI7 Dec 14 #21
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