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Emrys

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15. There have been many strikes by Ukraine on targets deep in Russia using homegrown drones,
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:17 AM
Dec 14

Last edited Mon Dec 16, 2024, 10:44 PM - Edit history (2)

sometimes in the form of adapted light aircraft.

They've hit oil and gas refineries, ammunition stores, air bases, military headquarters etc. Some of the strikes have been around 1,000 miles into Russian territory. The media framed the issue of use of US-supplied weapons solely in terms of range and described ATACMs etc. as "long-range", whereas they are in fact medium-range - long range was something the Ukrainians could already manage, but the firepower they could project with each drone or missile was limited, and many of them in each volley would usually be intercepted as they didn't have stealth capabilities.

Here's Trump mouthing off in his TIME interview, which took place on November 25:

I think the most dangerous thing right now is what's happening, where Zelensky has decided, with the approval of, I assume, the President, to start shooting missiles into Russia. I think that’s a major escalation. I think it's a foolish decision.

https://time.com/7201565/person-of-the-year-2024-donald-trump-transcript/


As so often, I think he feels he has to spout some sort of BS to kid on that he actually understands anything and to seem relevant, whereas what he's doing here is, as usual, revealing his ignorance of why Ukraine might want to attack facilities that are raining vast swarms of weaponry on Ukraine almost daily.

The "with the approval of, I assume, the President" is especially disturbing here - it was common knowledge that there was a long-running dispute over this issue between the White House and the Ukrainian government, and that Biden finally gave the go-ahead just before Putin's much-hyped strike on Dnipro with the Oreshnik (or more correctly, Kedr) ballistic missile. Trump's obviously been too busy to read any briefings or look at a newspaper, or maybe even Fox News, which may have covered it.

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Sounds like it will take more than a phone call. nt doc03 Dec 13 #1
YET TO PRESENT ANY SPECIFICS OF A PLAN, CONCEPTUAL OR OTHERWISE BOSSHOG Dec 13 #2
Looks like Trump should have kept his powder dry about applegrove Dec 13 #3
Trump has only two settings: 1. Totally ignore 2. Smash mouth power. Irish_Dem Dec 13 #4
Candidate Trump talks tough Johonny Dec 14 #17
He lies a lot. Especially on the campaign trail. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #22
Imagine knowing Stuff BOSSHOG Dec 13 #5
Keith Kellogg, Trump's nominee for Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Emrys Dec 13 #6
OMG it does not look good. applegrove Dec 13 #7
Well, if you listen to Kellogg in interviews he's given Fox News etc. in recent months (before Trump nominated him), Emrys Dec 13 #8
Good. Trump still should have not telegraphed he would applegrove Dec 13 #9
Trump spouts all sorts of things that don't end up happening Emrys Dec 13 #10
Those incursions into Russia are so Ukraine could have bargainning applegrove Dec 13 #11
I was talking about (and I believe Trump was referring to) missile strikes across the border Emrys Dec 13 #13
Okay. I vaguely remember missile strikes at arms depots applegrove Dec 13 #14
There have been many strikes by Ukraine on targets deep in Russia using homegrown drones, Emrys Dec 14 #15
Thanks for the details. applegrove Dec 14 #19
Putin lauded Trump's criticizm of the missiles. He said applegrove Dec 14 #20
Gee, and here I thought His Excellency had it all figured out. Buns_of_Fire Dec 13 #12
So basically Biden solve this so Trump can take the credit Johonny Dec 14 #16
Or Biden can take the blame if peace fails. applegrove Dec 14 #18
I think it might be more about what Putin will demand JI7 Dec 14 #21
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