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pepperbear

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Fri Jan 31, 2025, 05:03 PM Jan 31

I found this on FB.This is the most consice analysis I've seen yet regarding trump [View all]

The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president,by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University.

Everybody I know should read this accurate and enlightening piece...

“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.

Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call "distributive bargaining."

Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.

The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.

The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.

One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker.

There isn't another Canada.

So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.

Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.

Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run.

For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us.

Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.

From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”

— David Honig

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No shades of gray in Trump's mind bucolic_frolic Jan 31 #1
Well, to be fair... LuvLoogie Jan 31 #8
The next to the last paragraph hit the nail on the head. 3catwoman3 Jan 31 #2
I had a Supply Chain degree coming out of college FHRRK Jan 31 #16
Meanwhile, magaville applauds him for his KPN Feb 1 #22
You can add in is susceptibility to delusions due to his narcissism. everyonematters Jan 31 #3
And then there's the type of negotiation a two-year old makes C_U_L8R Jan 31 #4
Alert the ketchup man COL Mustard Jan 31 #12
Illuminating discussion WestMichRad Jan 31 #5
I second that! Well done. allegorical oracle Jan 31 #13
Thank you for this. Indeed, it's both broad and concise. ancianita Jan 31 #6
Good analysis. I've always called distributive bargaining the zero-sum game. Lonestarblue Jan 31 #7
Agree. But the problem with trump is that he isn't content to simply win. He must humiliate allegorical oracle Jan 31 #15
Throw in his Adderall addiction..... SergeStorms Jan 31 #9
FORK Pas-de-Calais Jan 31 #10
K&R rpannier Jan 31 #11
Trump is making Sarah Palin look smart Richard_GB Jan 31 #14
Who'da thunk? 3catwoman3 Feb 1 #23
An impressively concise and cogent analysis. A lot of this is stuff everyone "sort of" knows, but putting it in ... eppur_se_muova Jan 31 #17
Link please ? I'd like to send this to someone who lives on Cessbook. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 31 #18
Threatening to kill his hostages isn't a good look either dickthegrouch Jan 31 #19
Totally outplayed internationally, turning former allies into adversaries Martin Eden Feb 1 #20
There's a problem with this analysis. druidity33 Feb 1 #21
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