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Showing Original Post only (View all)WIRED: DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase In Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse [View all]
WIRED - (archived: https://archive.ph/UvOO7 ) DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase In Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Makena Kelly
Politics Mar 28, 2025 10:07 AM
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase In Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is starting to put together a team to migrate the Social Security Administration’s (SSA) computer systems entirely off one of its oldest programming languages in a matter of months, potentially putting the integrity of the system—and the benefits on which tens of millions of Americans rely—at risk.
The project is being organized by Elon Musk lieutenant Steve Davis, multiple sources who were not given permission to talk to the media tell WIRED, and aims to migrate all SSA systems off COBOL, one of the first common business-oriented programming languages, and onto a more modern replacement like Java within a scheduled tight timeframe of a few months.
Under any circumstances, a migration of this size and scale would be a massive undertaking, experts tell WIRED, but the expedited deadline runs the risk of obstructing payments to the more than 65 million people in the US currently receiving Social Security benefits.
“Of course one of the big risks is not underpayment or overpayment per se but [it’s also] not paying someone at all and not knowing about it. The invisible errors and omissions,” an SSA technologist tells WIRED.
The Social Security Administration did not immediately reply to WIRED’s request for comment.
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Makena Kelly
Politics Mar 28, 2025 10:07 AM
DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase In Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
The so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is starting to put together a team to migrate the Social Security Administration’s (SSA) computer systems entirely off one of its oldest programming languages in a matter of months, potentially putting the integrity of the system—and the benefits on which tens of millions of Americans rely—at risk.
The project is being organized by Elon Musk lieutenant Steve Davis, multiple sources who were not given permission to talk to the media tell WIRED, and aims to migrate all SSA systems off COBOL, one of the first common business-oriented programming languages, and onto a more modern replacement like Java within a scheduled tight timeframe of a few months.
Under any circumstances, a migration of this size and scale would be a massive undertaking, experts tell WIRED, but the expedited deadline runs the risk of obstructing payments to the more than 65 million people in the US currently receiving Social Security benefits.
“Of course one of the big risks is not underpayment or overpayment per se but [it’s also] not paying someone at all and not knowing about it. The invisible errors and omissions,” an SSA technologist tells WIRED.
The Social Security Administration did not immediately reply to WIRED’s request for comment.
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Dennis Donovan
Friday
OP
Do you know who Grace M. Hopper, USN is? If you don't, you have no idea what Cobol is and what it will take to convert.
usaf-vet
Friday
#81
I moved the entire post to The Way Forward forum. Hopefully, it gets the exposure there.
usaf-vet
Friday
#94
Isn't she the one who just about invented the whole cobol software system the navy...
brush
Friday
#104
I worked at a huge university that employed a huge IT staff for years to upgrade a system
Demovictory9
Friday
#9
I Am a Data Architect - You gave me the biggest and longest laugh of the week!!
hotellanai1986
Friday
#62
Well it is 'more modern' and there's orders of magnitude more Java programmers and large systems currently in use
AZJonnie
Saturday
#131
To get it off old computers hard to hack computers that have been working just fine and processing..
uponit7771
Friday
#8
Hey, wait a minute. I'm not that old (71) and I know people younger than I that can program and support COBOL.
camartinwv
Saturday
#114
Unstable? The hardware the system is currently running on is the most stable there on the market.
sinkingfeeling
Friday
#101
As a 30 year IBM mainframe specialist and 15 years as a mainframe system programmer,
sinkingfeeling
Friday
#108
Just sayin', in all my years (over 45) of working with COBOL programs and operating systens, I've never heard of a
sinkingfeeling
Saturday
#110
I don't want to continue this discussion forever, but can you tell me which 'modern' systems don't
sinkingfeeling
Saturday
#121
I'm available for a very large fee! Used to be pretty good with DB2, COBOL, CICS, and
sinkingfeeling
Saturday
#112
True IF you have experts doing the update instead of hackers, and they give a SHIT
Bengus81
23 hrs ago
#138
Potentially a source at least for some tasks would be to use a copy of the existing one
AZJonnie
Saturday
#130
No doubt they'll include hard-to-detect back doors so it can be monitored and controlled from the outside
SpankMe
Friday
#18
+1. Elon wants to break it so he alone can fix it - for billions of dollars in fees and future contracts
dalton99a
Friday
#21
They probably need to adapt it so Big Balls can funnel our information to criminals faster.
Vinca
Friday
#23
How can this take place unilaterally without any input from our elected Representatives?
jalan48
Friday
#31
It's easy to rewrite it after you eliminate the 100M dead people and all those over 62!
Wonder Why
Friday
#35
My guess, they will host it on Amazon and be client server vs old reliable big iron.
LiberalArkie
Friday
#45
Social Security is not broken. If a thing is not broken, don't try and fix it. Go back to your own damn country
Walleye
Friday
#48
In theory they'd have the old system on standby to switch back to if the new didn't work
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Friday
#63
I asked a banker I know if the banking and financial industries have some kind of forbearance program for when
dobleremolque
Friday
#75
There is so much wrong with that, the last of which is that any new system can take years to properly debug,
Martin68
Friday
#80
"The so-called Department of Government Efficiency" - Emphasis on "so-called" and none on "efficiency." n/t
Beartracks
Friday
#83
IF 68 million plus seniors don't get a check................then we are at war................
turbinetree
Friday
#89
I learned COBAL in the late 70's and SSA was recruiting COBAL programmers back then to update the system.
rickford66
Friday
#99
The intention is not to rebuild a system to service SSA clients. It is going to be built to siphon money into Musk's
Ford_Prefect
Saturday
#116
Yes but the HOW it is broken means Musk steals more money while it runs into the ground.
Ford_Prefect
Saturday
#122
Yep...What are we gonna do? They will blame it on Democrats, of course. But what will we do?
Eliot Rosewater
Saturday
#127
Exactly. I worry that our collective reaction will not be strong enough if you know what I mean
Eliot Rosewater
Saturday
#129
When they end it, steal it, they will say it is Dems fault for mishandling it.
Eliot Rosewater
Saturday
#136