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Jim Lane

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28. In general, yes, there are circumstances in which a court can make such an order.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:59 PM
Mar 2014

You can phrase it as "ordering a journalist to stand down" -- but journalists (whether self-appointed or employed by the MSM) are not above the law and must in general follow the same rules as the rest of us. (Some states have shield laws allowing journalists to protect sources in ways that aren't available to non-journalists, but that isn't applicable here. The allegation against Shuler is defamation, and there is no journalistic privilege to defame.)

You can put scare quotes around the word "offensive" but the fact is that our First Amendment jurisprudence recognizes many cases in which people can be punished for saying or publishing things, such as defamation, trade libel, copyright infringement, pornography, invasion of privacy, breach of a nondisclosure agreement, and probably a few more that don't pop into my mind at the moment. In some of those cases, yes, a court can order someone to "stand down" in the sense of removing the challenged material from a website. Copyright infringement is probably the most obvious case. Defamation is less clear to me without doing some research.

If someone posts defamatory material on a website, and the person who complains about it wins the lawsuit, it's obvious that the court can order the defendant (journalist or not) to pay money damages. Can the court, as part of a final judgment, also direct that the defamatory material be removed from the website? I don't know but my semi-wild-assed guess is Yes. Can the court, before there's been a full trial on the merits, issue a preliminary injunction with such a requirement, to remain in effect pending the final judgment? Again I don't know. I do know that prior restraint on speech is disfavored, and most judges would be very reluctant to issue such a preliminary injunction. Nevertheless, if the court has the power to order such an action in the final judgment, then it probably has the power to issue a preliminary injunction, and might well be justified in doing so in an extreme case.

Suppose a liberal college professor named Ebenezer Smith is making his first run for elective office, challenging the incumbent Tea Party Congressmember. A RW blogger creates a website accusing Smith of all manner of things, with, for example, images (wholly falsified) of what look like criminal convictions for child molestation and a completely fallacious story that the university reprimanded Smith for misuse of college funds. Smith's defamation action against the blogger won't come to trial until after the election. Is it legal for the court to order the RW blogger to stand down, i.e., to remove these lies about Smith? Somehow the injunction doesn't seem quite so outlandish under those circumstances, does it?

As for whether Shuler was in fact "tossed into jail before being served with any court order to take down anything", there's reason to doubt his contentions to that effect, as noted by struggle4progress in #21 in this thread.

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from the comments questionseverything Mar 2014 #1
Alabama GOP didn't like the part about a rising ''star'' sleeping with a married woman. Octafish Mar 2014 #2
thank you for keeping us informed questionseverything Mar 2014 #4
Pretty sad state of affairs when 100 state attorney generals get zero air-time. Octafish Mar 2014 #6
Part of Shuler's problem is that he always appears in court pro se but doesn't know jackshizz struggle4progress Mar 2014 #3
He's not ''batshit crazy.'' Octafish Mar 2014 #5
If you support him, don't just talk: help him get counsel and help him pay for it struggle4progress Mar 2014 #7
Wacky! I knew Democracy could count on you. Octafish Mar 2014 #8
... Mr. Shuler remains in jail, unwilling to take down his posts but also unwilling to hire a lawyer struggle4progress Mar 2014 #13
Thanks! He took down the posts. Octafish Mar 2014 #14
All links in my #13 refer to Shuler's wackadoodle pro se habit struggle4progress Mar 2014 #16
Got it! I figured that, as they didn't mention his release. Octafish Mar 2014 #17
SHULER et al v SWATEK et al demonstrates just how loony the world of Roger Shuler is: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #20
No offense, but I'll side with Shuler and Siegelman over Alabama just us. Octafish Mar 2014 #23
Carelessly jumbling stuff together produces useless fugged-up thought struggle4progress Mar 2014 #24
Shuler can be completely right about the Alabama GOP and still be batshit crazy about other things. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #9
I'm not a lawyer. Dr. Strange Mar 2014 #10
There are some circumstances under which service is invalid if procured by fraud. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #11
... “I’m not some whack job who doesn’t want help. I want legal help, but it has to be struggle4progress Mar 2014 #22
Agree with you and msanthrope, another attorney on DU who said the same. Octafish Mar 2014 #18
He was stopped by officers, served with the injunction, and threw the papers out his car window, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #21
Holy crap!! Did we just agree on something? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #27
In general, yes, there are circumstances in which a court can make such an order. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #28
k & r and thanks once again Octafish! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #12
Justice demands it. Shuler stood with Don Siegelman... Octafish Mar 2014 #15
Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #19
I just hope this guy goes right back to afflicting the people that put him in. idendoit Mar 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #26
He is a political prisoner. Alabama? More like Talibana. pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #29
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