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In reply to the discussion: Shut Discussionist down!... [View all]Cerridwen
(13,262 posts)138. It may be self-correcting. Cyber/Internet Law has changed
and continues to evolve since the days when the owners were visited by the FBI(?) because of death threats made at DU. Since that time cyber-bullying/stalking, revenge porn, online threats of death and rape have started to result in criminal investigations and prosecutions.
Legislation Against cyberbullying
Main article: Cyberstalking legislation
United States
Legislation geared at penalizing cyberbullying has been introduced in a number of U.S. states including New York, Missouri, Rhode Island and Maryland. At least forty five states passed laws against digital harassment.<63> Dardenne Prairie of Springfield, Missouri, passed a city ordinance making online harassment a misdemeanor. The city of St. Charles, Missouri has passed a similar ordinance. Missouri is among other states where lawmakers are pursuing state legislation, with a task forces expected to have cyberbullying laws drafted and implemented.<64> In June, 2008, Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.) and Rep. Kenny Hulshof (R-Mo.) proposed a federal law that would criminalize acts of cyberbullying.<65>
Lawmakers are seeking to address cyberbullying with new legislation because there's currently no specific law on the books that deals with it. A fairly new federal cyberstalking law might address such acts, according to Parry Aftab, but no one has been prosecuted under it yet. The proposed federal law would make it illegal to use electronic means to "coerce, intimidate, harass or cause other substantial emotional distress."
In August 2008, the California state legislature passed one of the first laws in the country to deal directly with cyberbullying. The legislation, Assembly Bill 86 2008, gives school administrators the authority to discipline students for bullying others offline or online.<66> This law took effect, January 1, 2009.<67>
A recent ruling first seen in the UK determined that it is possible for an Internet Service Provider (ISP) to be liable for the content of sites which it hosts, setting a precedent that any ISP should treat a notice of complaint seriously and investigate it immediately.[68]
18 U.S.C. § 875(c) criminalizes the making of threats via Internet. (emphasis added)
Main article: Cyberstalking legislation
United States
Legislation geared at penalizing cyberbullying has been introduced in a number of U.S. states including New York, Missouri, Rhode Island and Maryland. At least forty five states passed laws against digital harassment.<63> Dardenne Prairie of Springfield, Missouri, passed a city ordinance making online harassment a misdemeanor. The city of St. Charles, Missouri has passed a similar ordinance. Missouri is among other states where lawmakers are pursuing state legislation, with a task forces expected to have cyberbullying laws drafted and implemented.<64> In June, 2008, Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.) and Rep. Kenny Hulshof (R-Mo.) proposed a federal law that would criminalize acts of cyberbullying.<65>
Lawmakers are seeking to address cyberbullying with new legislation because there's currently no specific law on the books that deals with it. A fairly new federal cyberstalking law might address such acts, according to Parry Aftab, but no one has been prosecuted under it yet. The proposed federal law would make it illegal to use electronic means to "coerce, intimidate, harass or cause other substantial emotional distress."
In August 2008, the California state legislature passed one of the first laws in the country to deal directly with cyberbullying. The legislation, Assembly Bill 86 2008, gives school administrators the authority to discipline students for bullying others offline or online.<66> This law took effect, January 1, 2009.<67>
A recent ruling first seen in the UK determined that it is possible for an Internet Service Provider (ISP) to be liable for the content of sites which it hosts, setting a precedent that any ISP should treat a notice of complaint seriously and investigate it immediately.[68]
18 U.S.C. § 875(c) criminalizes the making of threats via Internet. (emphasis added)
From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying#Legal_definition
If ISPs are held liable as may be a possibility in the UK, it may result in ISPs shutting down websites creating the most liability headaches. Since ISPs are business entities, I'm not sure they'll much care for 1st Amendment arguments that may not apply on a global stage.
I'm pretty sure the number of posts warning about the type of content presented on various sites will make it difficult for site owners to claim ignorance of the problem(s).
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Went there to take a good look. There was a racist video posted and they all high fived each other.
freshwest
Aug 2014
#104
i've gotten several posts by nasty rethugs hidden. place is kinda fun\sad at the same time.
dionysus
Sep 2014
#396
Yes, but it's there. Now, thanks to some of our "friends" the meta has been dragged here.
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#412
If I get every other post hidden over here for being a misogynistic female, why would I make it for
lonestarnot
Aug 2014
#15
much of what is there is beyond horrible. Festering hate fest for the most part.
NRaleighLiberal
Aug 2014
#18
I used to harass right wingers on a couple other sites ... now I use DI for that purpose.
JoePhilly
Sep 2014
#165
Disagreement of opinion one thing, bigotry & stupidity a whole 'nother ballgame.
alp227
Aug 2014
#48
Better to not donate to DU until it's gone. I'm not giving extra money to get rid of their shit.
cui bono
Aug 2014
#69
Who's library girl? I've seen her mentioned both here and on Discussionist but have never seen
Louisiana1976
Aug 2014
#92
I've seen a few Freeper posts and they're nothing like the low IQ Neanderthals
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#154
Why not? You expect these guys to run a charity for your benefit? Buy the site if you don't
MADem
Sep 2014
#389
Annnnnnnnnnd...... so? This is their JOB. This is a private site. The owners make the rules.
MADem
Sep 2014
#398
Let's start with how it gives misogynists and racists yet another platform on the internet.
NuclearDem
Aug 2014
#45
That isn't what I asked. Do you think that banning Discussionist will eliminate misogyny and rascism
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#60
Sorry I forgot that you can't have a decent discussion w/o the "derp". Never mind. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#74
I asked how the website Discussionist harmed DU and you responded with some thing
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#167
That second part sounds correct. But it's not going anywhere, anyway. This is just a rant.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#107
You think? In fact I find it quite hypocritical that a progressive would demand another site be
still_one
Aug 2014
#77
Each site has their own charter, which establishes the rules. Free speech, no, but the sites
still_one
Sep 2014
#109
I am west coast time. Regardless, I probably did not articulate properly. Have a good night
still_one
Sep 2014
#121
Yes it is. And my withholding my hard earned money from those who make money off that shit
cui bono
Aug 2014
#80
Then don't donate. I suspect they make enough with ads now. They have been established long enough
still_one
Aug 2014
#84
I already said I wasn't going to donate in the post you initially responded to...
cui bono
Aug 2014
#89
Not at all. You responded to my post that you were NOT going to donate, and I responded back.
still_one
Aug 2014
#95
The last post I meant NOT donate. typo, I will change that now. My main point was I think DU is
still_one
Aug 2014
#105
Its both. Maybe you should start your own progressive site if you think you can do better
still_one
Aug 2014
#86
skinner has every right to open up another forum with its own rules. That is what I meant. This is
still_one
Aug 2014
#99
First of all I never said anyone should or should not donate, and I have no idea where you got that
still_one
Sep 2014
#383
People have choices in regard to the internet. My view is they don't care for a site, don't go
still_one
Sep 2014
#118
Why? I don't go there. It is a business enterprise I am sure. So the same person who started DU
still_one
Aug 2014
#67
I don't even do that based on what I have heard some folks here say. Same reason I have never been
still_one
Aug 2014
#102
I've only lurked when I've seen a link here. They hate the BOG and HOF especially.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#108
I am not sure if that says much because there are some here who are quite critical of the President
still_one
Sep 2014
#111
Sorry. It'll never happen. It does have a Libertarian and Republican forum there. Good riddance.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#110
How is it not associated with DU if it has the same owners and is advertised on the front page? n/t
seaglass
Sep 2014
#147
I have no idea what else they own because they don't advertise it here afaik.
seaglass
Sep 2014
#155
it' the luck of the draw on juries. I i alerted on a sexist post and it was removed on a 5-1 vote,
dionysus
Sep 2014
#414
The best way to protest the site is not to go over there. If all progressives and DU members did
still_one
Sep 2014
#113
I saw GBV in the late 90s or early 2000s, with John Doe from X I think.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2014
#292
It was the Attitude. There was no comfort to a member who was hurt, threatened.
JaydenD
Sep 2014
#214
It would be just the biggest loss to the world if Discussionist was shut down, I know.
kcr
Sep 2014
#260
Because I happen to think that siloing ourselves in echo chambers is a generally unhealthy
Ms. Toad
Sep 2014
#275
Yeah, I spent about 10 minutes there and came racing back here. If I wanted to read bigoted
catbyte
Sep 2014
#198
No. I don't believe we should shut down our freedom to speak and be heard.
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#207
They should not hand over ISP information to BainsBane. They should comply with a lawful
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#373
I got a rapey pm here once a long time ago, should I have demanded the ISP of the banned troll?
polly7
Sep 2014
#385
Probably because he objects to women on this site being threatened with rape
BainsBane
Sep 2014
#303
I've seen a massive influx of trolls to DU recently, and I think Discussionist is to blame. n/t
ColesCountyDem
Sep 2014
#284
^^^^^This. Liberal schmiberal. This makes it clear that DU is not about liberal politics.
Squinch
Sep 2014
#299
While I rec'd this thread, I don't believe Discussionist needs to be shut down
BainsBane
Sep 2014
#301
You DID choose to post in this particular thread. You didn't have to, you know!
CaliforniaPeggy
Sep 2014
#308
I have an account there and post on average once or twice a week. I'm not particularly fond of it.
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#358
Totally understand. I don't like it so MAKE IT GO AWAY! Would that the world were so simple...
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2014
#376
Timeframe is everything. Pre-Obama? Snowden and Greenwald would both have statues already.
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2014
#381
if you don't like it, don't go there. there's plenty of liberals on there fighting the neanderthal
dionysus
Sep 2014
#413
When you say "this forum" are you referring to the whole DU discussion board?
cyberswede
Sep 2014
#432
Cyberswede already told you earlier that this is not a "HoF topic", did you not read her
seaglass
Sep 2014
#435
I do not have an optimistic feeling about this, seems overly interested in HoF for
seaglass
Sep 2014
#438
It's none of your business what Skinner does with his money, time and the internet.
L0oniX
Jan 2015
#441