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tomp

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82. that kind of thinking IS the problem...

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:33 AM

Nov 2014

...because even though in some ways it may be true, the difference is meaningless.

The only way to look at this is that the two party system itself, AS A WHOLE, engenders the fucked up situation we see. The two party system plays against the interests of the vast majority of citizens.

The democrats' sole job, WHICH THEY DO VERY VERY WELL, is to convince people there is a difference.

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THIS is why the world laughs at us (or thinks we're batshit crazy) [View all] Triana Nov 2014 OP

Its not illogical treestar Nov 2014 #1

Exactly right. Moreover, there is nothing illogical about Vattel Nov 2014 #78

Kind of like how their own kid can never get in trouble Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #101

Yes and the rest of the world has orderly, liberal, intellectually driven legislative bodies so they Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #2

Many countries do have liberal, intellectually driven systems. defacto7 Nov 2014 #61

Give me your list, I'll tell you stories. Seriously. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #90

I have a few experiences myself actually... defacto7 Nov 2014 #107

Maybe not Scarsdale Nov 2014 #89

My Incumbent Senator was a Democrat malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #3

The worst Democrat Riverman100 Nov 2014 #9

Except Lincoln v. Douglas 1860 :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17

Not necessarily... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #32

The majority party has a lot of say in the workings of Congress mountain grammy Nov 2014 #58

The cliche is just dumb treestar Nov 2014 #86

No, I don't believe it is dumb or has been debunked... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #111

How come Republicans don't vote for us treestar Nov 2014 #112

Why do you think Republicans don't pick the real Democrat? elzenmahn Nov 2014 #113

What about Joe Lieberman vs. Lincoln Chaffee? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #66

I remember observing Lieberman's election in 1988 from 3000 miles away... LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #84

that kind of thinking IS the problem... tomp Nov 2014 #82

Welcome to DU, Riverman100! calimary Nov 2014 #91

I think the idea is that people are mainly fed up with Republicans cprise Nov 2014 #43

I'd vote for Wakko Warner ahead of any Repug. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #103

They are the Melvins we continually rehire to do home repairs after they wreck everything. kairos12 Nov 2014 #4

To quote Tip O'Neill, "All politics is local". NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #5

Absolutely... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #33

Yes, exactly. mountain grammy Nov 2014 #59

+1000 Repubs hate "top-down" goverment, so they built from the bottom up. Beartracks Nov 2014 #64

We have to rebuild our grassroots political army. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #68

However, Tip never used the internet as a means to communicate. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #42

Teh intarwebz? I lol'd. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #102

Thanks, you just proved my point. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #108

Not any more. The GOP victories were largely staged at the national level. Mitch McConnell Hortensis Nov 2014 #98

My moderate Dem representative is LibDemAlways Nov 2014 #6

But but but... Rex Nov 2014 #7

Low approval of Congress benefits Republicans Martin Eden Nov 2014 #8

saving to read later. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #18

This nails it right on the head... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #34

I remember reading this on Truthout a couple of years ago mountain grammy Nov 2014 #60

Rec Infinity! nt chowder66 Nov 2014 #10

I wonder if this is how the decline of the Roman Empire began ,factionalism and break up . geretogo Nov 2014 #11

Conjugating Verbs PeoViejo Nov 2014 #12

Amo amas amat amamus... Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #22

Unfortunately, the parallels are scary DFW Nov 2014 #45

That is actually pretty close to the truth. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #71

Who exactly in the world thinks we are "batshit crazy" or laughs at us? former9thward Nov 2014 #13

I have only been to 31 countries, but have heard it for decades DFW Nov 2014 #16

Well both of our experiences are anecdotal. former9thward Nov 2014 #19

Good Point malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #28

Am I supposed to list the names, phone numbers and languages of people for you to check? DFW Nov 2014 #46

Those are all anecdotal. former9thward Nov 2014 #51

Anecdotal is a word that used to mean truedelphi Nov 2014 #56

Yes, why do we have so many would be immigrants then treestar Nov 2014 #87

"can WE have him when you're done?" - I had a Canadian ask me that today re: Obama Triana Nov 2014 #44

Tell your friend that Canada has to ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #67

+1 Triana Nov 2014 #72

It just breaks my heart to see the drubbing President Obama is getting. Breaks my heart! calimary Nov 2014 #95

Was it Richard Brunt that asked you? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #99

Well, plenty of Canadians think we are batshit crazy. They think we're nuts Nay Nov 2014 #21

Add our gun laws/NRA to your list... ReRe Nov 2014 #29

Rob Ford. randome Nov 2014 #31

I'll see your Rob Ford and raise you... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #41

Rob Ford is now just yet another city councilman, no longer mayor. His brother lost, too. nt Electric Monk Nov 2014 #70

You just can't fix stupid. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #14

I think the picture sums everything perfectly. SoapBox Nov 2014 #25

Idiot, yes... elzenmahn Nov 2014 #35

That is still my favorite pic of that idiot. Lars39 Nov 2014 #75

... RKP5637 Nov 2014 #80

Conservatives found that incident endearing, just like this: freshwest Nov 2014 #100

Apparently you've never seen a session of Parliament. llmart Nov 2014 #15

Question time is always fun... ReRe Nov 2014 #30

I wouldn't exactly call most of our MPs 'witty' LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #77

I don't care what you say... ReRe Nov 2014 #85

Proportional voting based on an examination of issue awareness would solve this. Moostache Nov 2014 #20

people have a right not to vote Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #49

The Soviet Politburo had a higher turnover rate than the US Congress Recursion Nov 2014 #23

Can you prove that? ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #69

I heard it (somewhere) and did a count. It's true if you count the Stalin years Recursion Nov 2014 #81

Gerrymandering is not helping. EEO Nov 2014 #24

That is an understatement of epic proportions! Maineman Nov 2014 #93

My congresscritter is fine, it's everyone else's who sucks! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #26

Haha, that's just what I was gonna post! City Lights Nov 2014 #36

You snooze, you loose! Odin2005 Nov 2014 #38

LOL! City Lights Nov 2014 #40

True, and you don't need to say it sarcastically. thesquanderer Nov 2014 #74

My DINO rep Collin Peterson will literally NEVER be voted out of office. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #104

You should have included the cost malaise Nov 2014 #27

K and R bigwillq Nov 2014 #37

And how many days were they off this year? ReRe Nov 2014 #39

There's far more sinister forces at work keeping these clowns in office. Initech Nov 2014 #47

You are right malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #55

Cute but not very clever. progressoid Nov 2014 #48

The world is right. Iggo Nov 2014 #50

Gerrymandering and vote flipping and voter suppression works, apparently. nt valerief Nov 2014 #52

Yup, and any primary challenges tend to go for the tea party IronLionZion Nov 2014 #53

It was bought libodem Nov 2014 #54

I am a white 65yo woman. TNNurse Nov 2014 #57

A good ad campaign can sell anything. Remember pet rocks? That is why we need to Maineman Nov 2014 #94

north of your border we are shaking our heads riverbendviewgal Nov 2014 #62

Definition of insanity: blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #63

ummm...no! golfguru Nov 2014 #65

Like Andy Borowitz' theory about What Happened on Election night.. Cha Nov 2014 #73

Succinct ... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #109

Most of the 'rest of the world' has its own problems... LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #76

There is a simple explanation... sendero Nov 2014 #79

The world came to the conclusion that the American experiment in politics Amonester Nov 2014 #83

Then why more immigrants are waiting in line golfguru Nov 2014 #106

Yep!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2014 #88

*** L0oniX Nov 2014 #92

That's actually similar to many countries oberliner Nov 2014 #96

This needs to stay up awhile. johnnyreb Nov 2014 #97

Can't say that about Democrats, we didn't send our members back! Township75 Nov 2014 #105

isn't that the definition of crazy. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #110