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2banon

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240. that's like saying "I'm White and proud of it".

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 03:52 PM

Nov 2014

reminds me of a housemate who just couldn't understand why i didn't have an issue with "illegals" coming in from Mexico. His concern was that the demographics of our population was going to change dramatically and that Whites will soon be a minority, maybe in the next generation.

Asked with astonishment why I didn't care, don't I have any pride in my race. I said no, that it was stupid thing to be "proud" of. It's not an accomplishment or an achievement, it's totally a random thing from birth that I had no decision in making and it's just not meaningful to me in any way... he rushed at me with a fist ready to crush my skull in. didn't happen, though totally surprised and taken aback with some measure of fear for my safety I said something, he backed off and I soon moved away from that house.

I just don't get being "proud" of one's ethnicity, race, culture or religion.

it's a fundamental requirement in fostering bigotry and hatred. .

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The story with that is... Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #198

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