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Bjorn Against

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5. Anyone who opposes guns should have opposed the Iraq War

Wed May 6, 2015, 09:12 PM

May 2015

Many people here know I am very anti-gun and I am also a long-time anti-war activist who has been in literally hundreds of anti-war actions.

Opposing guns and opposing war are not two separate issues, let's face it the Iraq War led to huge numbers of gun deaths. I am a big supporter of the Brady Bill, but I can not deny that the Iraq War caused a hell of a lot more gun deaths than the Brady Bill prevented.

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Voting against the Brady Bill versus voting for the Iraq War Resolution? [View all] Nye Bevan May 2015 OP

Your post proves nothing Renew Deal May 2015 #1

Voting against the Brady Bill ... Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #2

Absolutely true BainsBane May 2015 #4

Guns kill more people every year. JaneyVee May 2015 #61

Not just the Brady bill BainsBane May 2015 #3

He voted for the PLCAA because he knows that holding a manufacturer liable for GGJohn May 2015 #6

Good post. bigwillq May 2015 #7

There would be no need for a separate law for that BainsBane May 2015 #10

Oh? And what firearms manufacturers delivered weapons to illegal gun runners? GGJohn May 2015 #11

Manufacturers know purchasers will take care of that. Manufacturers know guns will be misused, Hoyt May 2015 #34

Oh really? GGJohn May 2015 #37

If you made a living off something that hurt so many people, would you keep doing it? Hoyt May 2015 #41

Oh, so that would apply to the auto industry also, GGJohn May 2015 #48

Nope, cars aren't built to kill. Do you have three garages full of cars? Hoyt May 2015 #50

Oh, so you're not just as injured or dead because a car wasn't built for killing? GGJohn May 2015 #51

" People go on about Americans being killed with drones..." beevul May 2015 #55

What was the bill going to do? treestar May 2015 #60

No they are not dsc May 2015 #65

Exempts them from their own negligence? treestar May 2015 #67

As disturbing as your statistic is there is no form of gun violence worse than war Bjorn Against May 2015 #13

That may be BainsBane May 2015 #21

It does concern me, unfortunately there is not a candidate that does not have some bad positions Bjorn Against May 2015 #26

I am too, though I still agree with him more than anyone else out there. arcane1 May 2015 #31

Absolutely BainsBane May 2015 #44

You're disappointed in the same way I'm disappointed at the lack of vegemite cheesecake Scootaloo May 2015 #35

What? BainsBane May 2015 #42

My apologies, BainsBane, I actually had you mixed up with someone else, somehow Scootaloo May 2015 #53

Though it also includes the Civil War BainsBane May 2015 #22

Even so, when you count the Iraqis and Vietnamese killed the number of war deaths is astronomical Bjorn Against May 2015 #29

I understand BainsBane May 2015 #45

Anyone who opposes guns should have opposed the Iraq War Bjorn Against May 2015 #5

There are lots of lives dying in the US from guns, how can any one defend one vote over the other Thinkingabout May 2015 #33

Both votes were wrong, but their effects were not equal Bjorn Against May 2015 #39

You are right both votes may be wrong, for the number of poster claiming they would never Thinkingabout May 2015 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2015 #8

"he opposed the bill because he felt handgun waiting periods could be dealt with at the state level" arcane1 May 2015 #32

no contest PowerToThePeople May 2015 #9

Are you suggesting that Sen. Sanders is a war criminal? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #12

you people.. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #14

Ok, sorry. GGJohn May 2015 #17

sorry if I came across badly PowerToThePeople May 2015 #19

No problem, GGJohn May 2015 #20

Voting NO on the ISIS resolution was not a good vote either. People are still getting killed. Thinkingabout May 2015 #36

So domestic war, no problem? BainsBane May 2015 #23

That's the problem, GGJohn May 2015 #24

Amen to that. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #27

I understand people have differing opinions BainsBane May 2015 #47

Ban all Guns! PowerToThePeople May 2015 #30

The gun lobby is working to overturn local and state restrictions BainsBane May 2015 #49

And "domestic war", to use your phrase, guillaumeb May 2015 #38

excellent point BainsBane May 2015 #46

I ckecked out the Senator's main contributors. guillaumeb May 2015 #69

I think it's forty something percent of Americans who own guns BainsBane May 2015 #70

Neither one are in my top issues for a candidate. n/t tammywammy May 2015 #15

I can despise both just as much, and neither candidate gets a pass. NuclearDem May 2015 #16

Ever notice how the very same folks... 99Forever May 2015 #18

It's a DU rule. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #25

To the average voter? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #28

Standard reply, followed by snarky ending. Rex May 2015 #40

Let's see a good vote I support versus one of the most foolish ones ever that I don't? TheKentuckian May 2015 #43

Gee, let's see.... MADem May 2015 #52

False equivalent Gman May 2015 #54

Since Brady around a quarter of a million people have been murdered.* joshcryer May 2015 #56

The excuses are appalling treestar May 2015 #57

false. and don't put that in the past tense. They're still dying and it's due cali May 2015 #58

Yep. I've already said I think the way folks characterize Dems votes for IWR is revisionist history stevenleser May 2015 #62

Wrong LittleBlue May 2015 #68

I honestly believe any attempt to justify the Iraq war is kind of appalling. bullwinkle428 May 2015 #71

The bottom line is: no candidate is going to have a perfect track record. cyberswede May 2015 #63

People write sane stuff, and sane stuff gets ignored in favor of the sexy stuff. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #64

But but but...ponies! If the small group of shit stirrers don't stir the shit Rex May 2015 #66