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PeaceNikki

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131. If I call my beliefs "sacred" will she respect them?

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #129)

Sat May 9, 2015, 09:55 PM

May 2015

No. She won't. Because not EVERY belief is worthy of one's respect. I get that. You get that. Our pal Nance doesn't get that but she thinks everyone else is "indecent". HER disrespect is obviously justified. Ours is raving mad and worthy of scorn.

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Should it be against the law, in the United States, to blaspheme or "insult a Deity"? [View all] Warren DeMontague May 2015 OP

WTF is this? It is protected speech! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #1

yeah, that is my take, too. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #4

If your all-powerful supreme being gets his feewings hurt by what I say NightWatcher May 2015 #2

It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #16

Oh hey, I'm still waiting for the official list of "Religions Deemed "not real" by Nance". PeaceNikki May 2015 #17

If you believe that Scientology is a religion ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #22

Maybe because PeaceNikki is tired of the hypocrisy? beam me up scottie May 2015 #23

I don't consider Scientologists ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #26

Yes, we know all about your belief that scientologists aren't "real" religious folks. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30

Check out ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #42

Yes, but we're discussing your need to question only one group of religious folks. beam me up scottie May 2015 #44

I didn't "question" Scientology. NanceGreggs May 2015 #49

You claimed their religion isn't real when they obviously think it is - that's offensive. beam me up scottie May 2015 #51

Do you stalk everyone on DU? NanceGreggs May 2015 #61

LMAO! You're stalking me, Nance! beam me up scottie May 2015 #62

If you think respecting others ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #70

Do you respect Darth Cheney, Nance? How about lil boots Bush? beam me up scottie May 2015 #71

Conflating religious beliefs ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #76

No, it's not stupid at all. We should be able to criticize and mock any harmful ideology. beam me up scottie May 2015 #78

You are free to do as you please. NanceGreggs May 2015 #98

I don't need your permission, although giving it seems to be "what gets you off". beam me up scottie May 2015 #100

Sang it , sister! PeaceNikki May 2015 #102

Way down upon the swaaaaaaaaneeeeeeee riverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... beam me up scottie May 2015 #122

As I said ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #104

Why do you care so much how and why I get off? beam me up scottie May 2015 #111

I don't care what gets you off. NanceGreggs May 2015 #115

Then why do you keep bringing it up? beam me up scottie May 2015 #117

We should all mock/question the beliefs of Scientology. NCTraveler May 2015 #251

Why would you want to mock only one kind of religious belief? beam me up scottie May 2015 #257

What's your definition of "religion"? Is it possible it's subjective and impervious to your scorn? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #31

The better question would be ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #33

Which leaves the question I asked you open and unanswered. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #53

Deal with it. n/t NanceGreggs May 2015 #146

God DAMN that hurts... it's gonna leave a mmmmmmark. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #157

Boy did you avoid that question tkmorris May 2015 #142

Exactly what led you to think ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #144

Simple: Claiming that something ISN'T what someone else claims it IS. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #158

I don't consider Scientologists to be "religious people". AlbertCat May 2015 #186

Well, talk about false equivalencies ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #190

Looks like you pissed a Sino off. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #252

You're saying I'm a scientologist? beam me up scottie May 2015 #258

I was made to believe that you were an Operating Thetan IV. Why the fuck were you auditing me? PeaceNikki May 2015 #266

The Evil Atheist Vermin Conspiracy's home office sent me out to investigate you. beam me up scottie May 2015 #267

Shit, they must be the ones who called my mom!!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #268

That's great! beam me up scottie May 2015 #269

I believe they are all equally bullshit peddled by hucksters. PeaceNikki May 2015 #24

I never said Scientology is "not real". NanceGreggs May 2015 #32

Damn, Nance. I believe you've done been swarmed! 11 Bravo May 2015 #48

Hey, old friend! NanceGreggs May 2015 #52

+1,000! nt MADem May 2015 #103

Well, at least people aren't launching personal attacks at Nance Chathamization May 2015 #114

Let's take a look at Saint Nance's posts, then: beam me up scottie May 2015 #120

She seems like a nice lady tkmorris May 2015 #143

*sol* beam me up scottie May 2015 #147

This is who I hear. PeaceNikki May 2015 #149

Oh Jeebus Cripes, their names are even similar. beam me up scottie May 2015 #150

And that's only in this thread. There's heaps more peppered round DU... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #288

:D beam me up scottie May 2015 #289

Here's something you might have missed today... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #290

:o PeaceNikki May 2015 #293

You just made my day! beam me up scottie May 2015 #294

Imagine if one of us were to question the beliefs of muslims and claim their religion isn't "real". beam me up scottie May 2015 #34

I suspect maybe she's not a "Real Athiest™" PeaceNikki May 2015 #39

I do believe you're right. beam me up scottie May 2015 #43

Not all of them. I followed the Church of bluejuice until its sad demise last year... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #221

It's about the 1A, and there's no gray area, period. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #28

Nobody has the right to not be offended. backscatter712 May 2015 #37

It's not a matter of ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #46

Do you scold people who mock Republicans too? beam me up scottie May 2015 #50

Well, as we all know ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #94

You feel like you're at FreeRepublic because you're protecting religion from its victims. beam me up scottie May 2015 #97

I am an atheist. NanceGreggs May 2015 #101

The religious have well funded, hugely successful, coordinated attacks against MY fucking PeaceNikki May 2015 #106

So fight the infringers ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #112

Will do!! And you keep on wagging that finger thinking you're some moral arbiter. PeaceNikki May 2015 #116

And you keep pretending ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #123

Challenging misogyny and homophobia is moral. PeaceNikki May 2015 #125

Defending that ideology because it's religion is unconscionable. beam me up scottie May 2015 #130

We're being called intolerant for disrespecting religion and SHE feels like she's on FreeRepublic? beam me up scottie May 2015 #129

If I call my beliefs "sacred" will she respect them? PeaceNikki May 2015 #131

She'd say your beliefs weren't as worthy of respect as a "real" religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #133

So in other words ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #226

No, Nance, telling folks to respect bigoted religious beliefs is a Republican thang. beam me up scottie May 2015 #227

Nowhere have I told anyone ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #229

"everyone who has a religious faith should be free from being "mocked" beam me up scottie May 2015 #230

And it's the end result of your flailing around trying to paint me as the one in the wrong. AlbertCat May 2015 #236

Nance only wants people to criticize one group of religious believers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #261

Do you not understand the difference ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #240

So mocking religion is the same thing as calling people "disgusting fatties"? beam me up scottie May 2015 #259

One more time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #263

Keep hurling those straw men! Who said people are idiots for practicing their religion? beam me up scottie May 2015 #264

Well any real atheist can see you're just being hysterical. beam me up scottie May 2015 #113

Why should we tolerate hateful religious beliefs? beam me up scottie May 2015 #107

Why does religion get a Magical Superimpermeable Protective Holy Bubble? Arugula Latte May 2015 #179

Ikr? Why should women and lgbt people respect people who treat us like we're second class citizens? beam me up scottie May 2015 #188

Please provide a link ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #191

Your need to protect the feelings of believers in misogynistic and homophobic sects is a bit strange Arugula Latte May 2015 #207

And your need to mischaracterize ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #213

Your need to protect religions is strange Yorktown May 2015 #219

I don't protect religions. NanceGreggs May 2015 #225

Religions are harmful ideologies Yorktown May 2015 #228

Riiiight -- I'm not a progressive because I think we should be free to criticize & satirize Arugula Latte May 2015 #242

For the zillionth time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #243

If someone says "women are inferior because they came from Adam's rib" I am not Arugula Latte May 2015 #244

Who said you had to respect ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #245

So in my example it is disrespectful of me to call out someone who says women are inferior Arugula Latte May 2015 #246

First of all ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #248

"adherence to religious beliefs is EXACTLY the same as adhering to political beliefs" Warren Stupidity May 2015 #235

Why is it decent to not offend people demanding to inflict their superstition on me? backscatter712 May 2015 #59

"I'm an atheist. I offend simply by existing." LostOne4Ever May 2015 #63

Well, you just go with that then. NanceGreggs May 2015 #68

Mockery of dumb ideas is natural and healthy. Yorktown May 2015 #220

So any belief to you is sacred? Roman gods? Aztecs? nt Logical May 2015 #67

When others hold religious beliefs to be sacred ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #72

LOL, so you are OK with people using religion to attack gays? Wow, you are fucking clueless.... Logical May 2015 #81

So you're okay with ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #95

You look silly on this topic. And refuse to address the direct question. Do you have an issue.... Logical May 2015 #99

This discussion ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #128

Simple question for you Nance , can I disrespect a religious belief.... Logical May 2015 #134

The pope just sent out priests to forgive women for having abortions. beam me up scottie May 2015 #139

Their "sacred beliefs" include interfering with the autonomy of women and LGBT PeaceNikki May 2015 #83

She is so clueless! +1000 for your post. nt Logical May 2015 #84

RESPECT THEM FOR THEIR SACREDNESS, LOGICAL!!!!!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #86

,+1 840high May 2015 #88

+1,000,000 beam me up scottie May 2015 #91

Why should someone else's HATEFUL beliefs about others be respected? beam me up scottie May 2015 #93

I'm waiting for a reason I should care... Oktober May 2015 #138

I don't think you have grasped the concept ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #148

Thought you were discussing... Oktober May 2015 #151

I am not the least bit "testy". NanceGreggs May 2015 #160

Then why get rude? I think you realize you looked terrible in this post. nt Logical May 2015 #172

OMG!!! NanceGreggs May 2015 #204

LOL, taking an ass kicking in this thread has made you grumpy! Nap time!! nt Logical May 2015 #171

Poor Logical ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #187

You really believe that? beam me up scottie May 2015 #192

Mocking people who thinks all gays go to hell is 100% ok, maybe you agree with the religion?? nt Logical May 2015 #194

Have you bothered to check out ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #200

say you are saying the holy books of the abrahamic faiths are "beyond ludicrous"? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #233

So what if they're offended? alarimer May 2015 #274

And no one *needs* to be offensive ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #276

"leave those who adhere to a religious faith should be free to do so without ridicule" Oktober May 2015 #286

Blasphemy is a victimless crime. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #3

I used to have that bumper sticker. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #5

Not just no, hell no! nt haikugal May 2015 #6

"a Deity" implies there are more than one Major Nikon May 2015 #7

I dont even have time to insult the dainty doilies my doggie does doo-doo on. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #8

Absolutely it should be allowed. And some deities deserve to be insulted anyways. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #9

Zeus has persistent foot odor. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #11

And Thor is always leaving Mjolnir on the toilet! backscatter712 May 2015 #79

Don't try to lift the hammer, lift the seat. TheKentuckian May 2015 #181

Insulting deities is a civic obligation. True Blue Door May 2015 #10

You are GOD DAMN right it should be legal!!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!!(nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #12

by Jove, I think you've got it. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #13

I was just going to say that some people I know would have little to say, in that case. libdem4life May 2015 #35

... on a cracker. Arugula Latte May 2015 #178

Waiting for the but-heads to show up. beam me up scottie May 2015 #14

Lol @ but-heads PeaceNikki May 2015 #15

Like ringing a dinner bell. beam me up scottie May 2015 #45

I wouldn't do it but.. KinMd May 2015 #18

Is there anyone here ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #19

Looking at the results of the poll, the answer to that question seems to be "no." Chathamization May 2015 #118

Yeah, it's "Strawman Underground" now. NanceGreggs May 2015 #119

I suppose it's easier than actually addressing an opponents arguments Chathamization May 2015 #162

Depends on which Deity... ileus May 2015 #20

Nope, and after observing Southern Baptists for the last 35 years or so, Lars39 May 2015 #21

They have equal ambiguity about the definition of "sin", as well. Lots of "depends". libdem4life May 2015 #36

No. (Except, of course, for the Flying Spaghetti Monster) Binkie The Clown May 2015 #25

You can't lock people up just for something they say... Salviati May 2015 #27

Hell no and I say that as a believing Christian. hrmjustin May 2015 #29

this is a joke, right? niyad May 2015 #38

NO! But there SHOULD BE some way to insert a little logic into some brains. napi21 May 2015 #40

What about Republicans? oberliner May 2015 #183

You don't have to even try to icite a Pubbie! napi21 May 2015 #195

If you can prove any deities exist, I will consider the question. nt Rex May 2015 #41

Has anyone proposed that? rug May 2015 #47

However ann--- May 2015 #54

So blasphemy should only be legal if it doesn't provoke people to violence? beam me up scottie May 2015 #56

Gives ISIS a heckler's veto. backscatter712 May 2015 #73

Yep, and if they do act out it's on them. beam me up scottie May 2015 #77

Oh for fucks sake. backscatter712 May 2015 #64

GASP! beam me up scottie May 2015 #66

So cartoon contests involving Moses and Mohammad are okay? Dr. Strange May 2015 #74

|:-} beam me up scottie May 2015 #80

The fuck, you say. X_Digger May 2015 #90

No it should not, and it's stupid to even suggest it. nt Codeine May 2015 #164

It is creating a public nuisance. HubertHeaver May 2015 #182

If i burn down a CVS because you mocked my belief in Leprechauns, are YOU the guilty one? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #254

No, it shouldn't be against the law DawgHouse May 2015 #55

I'd never insult any diety. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #57

My newest discovered way to insult Islam... backscatter712 May 2015 #58

Hell yes! It's Yahwey or the highway! DanTex May 2015 #60

It shouldn't be illegal, but Blue_In_AK May 2015 #65

I, personally, wouldn't do it Terra Alta May 2015 #69

It should be required. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #75

Fuck no. PeteSelman May 2015 #82

Most forms of dirt stupid hatred are quite legal. 99Forever May 2015 #85

I keep reading in that supposedly magic book that gay sex insults a deity. backscatter712 May 2015 #87

Also women who are not submissive. PeaceNikki May 2015 #89

Ever eat shellfish or pork? Wear blended fabrics? backscatter712 May 2015 #92

Injecting a little levity here ... Arugula Latte May 2015 #287

156 to 1 BainsBane May 2015 #96

DU needs to follow Oklahoma and place a ban on Sharia Law ASAP Chathamization May 2015 #126

No, most people don't. Most people understand the 1st Amendment. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #135

One person said it should be illegal. beam me up scottie May 2015 #140

and other people have been making the same argument. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #141

Well the 1st Amendment isn't important to some people. beam me up scottie May 2015 #144

No, incitement of violence BainsBane May 2015 #282

The poor Spaghetti Monster would be sauced. Historic NY May 2015 #105

You disrepected my god. I kill you. Yorktown May 2015 #154

No. They are all equally non-existent. truebrit71 May 2015 #108

Is there a competition on DU among atheists guillaumeb May 2015 #109

It's a simple question. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #136

It is a simplisitc question. guillaumeb May 2015 #165

Well, i happen to think the 1st Amendment is pretty fucking important. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #176

I agree that the First Amendment is crucial. eom guillaumeb May 2015 #196

Indispensable. At the same time we can say we will do almost anything including risk NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #255

Any ideology can be criticized. And mockery is a good tool to expose the silliness of religions. Yorktown May 2015 #155

You are undoubtedly correct. guillaumeb May 2015 #166

The entire purpose of this site is to "mock other people's beliefs". PeaceNikki May 2015 #168

Understood. guillaumeb May 2015 #169

But but but, nothing. PeaceNikki May 2015 #170

I understand your point. guillaumeb May 2015 #197

We need less religion in secular society and in politics. PeaceNikki May 2015 #199

I believe in the absolute separation of church and state. guillaumeb May 2015 #201

Anger is a powerful, scary emotion Lordquinton May 2015 #231

Anger, like acid, can as easily harm the user. guillaumeb May 2015 #247

If an adult phil89 May 2015 #177

Satire is effective. Yorktown May 2015 #214

Satire IS effective. guillaumeb May 2015 #253

Religion is powerful Yorktown May 2015 #277

Dialogue is also a good way. But extremists and ideologues guillaumeb May 2015 #278

Right now, try having a critical dialogue about Islam in Pakistan. Yorktown May 2015 #279

And no one in the US government can give a rational explanation for our actions. guillaumeb May 2015 #280

Do not underestimate the needs of the Caliphal Empire Yorktown May 2015 #284

religion is often linked to patriotism. guillaumeb May 2015 #291

Very true. Religion displays clear parasitic features. Yorktown May 2015 #300

"the silliest reason to insult religion?" beam me up scottie May 2015 #159

see my post #166 eom guillaumeb May 2015 #167

I don't want to have a conversation with christian bigots. beam me up scottie May 2015 #185

So you can never find anything to agree on with Christians? guillaumeb May 2015 #198

No I don't know any christians. beam me up scottie May 2015 #203

I have never lived in the Bible Belt. I live near Chicago now. guillaumeb May 2015 #208

I moved here from Vermont. beam me up scottie May 2015 #209

you went from Bernie Sanders to the Bible belt? guillaumeb May 2015 #210

Oh yeah. beam me up scottie May 2015 #212

She is back in Illinois. guillaumeb May 2015 #215

Country music is an incestuous industry that censors non-conformists. beam me up scottie May 2015 #217

Thanks for the sentiment. Also glad she is back here. guillaumeb May 2015 #222

I'm forced to deal with country music because of where I live. beam me up scottie May 2015 #223

we did not listen to US style country music at home. guillaumeb May 2015 #224

It deserves much of it's criticism I feel Lordquinton May 2015 #232

Side stepping the issue? Yes, a time out, so to speak. guillaumeb May 2015 #250

it is religions that produce the silliness we mock, and they do that in an astounding abundance. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #234

It should be against the law to post ignorant push polls on DU. U4ikLefty May 2015 #110

Cyborgs don't sweat, Jacko. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #137

30 seconds would seem like a week. A week would seem like an eternity. eom guillaumeb May 2015 #202

Considering all the havoc deities are alleged to have done... Kalidurga May 2015 #121

It's all Zeus's fault Art_from_Ark May 2015 #124

"Only the road that is no road is long enough to go nowhere."--eridani-san, honored Duer. panader0 May 2015 #127

No. ismnotwasm May 2015 #132

Not only no but HELL, NO!!! hobbit709 May 2015 #152

There's a difference between legal and socially unacceptable. n/t Calista241 May 2015 #153

Insulting a diety is not socially unacceptable. It's part and parcel of our culture Bluenorthwest May 2015 #161

nope Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #156

On the other hand.. sendero May 2015 #163

:/ Go Vols May 2015 #173

No. If the deity is offended it can do its own smiting (n/t) Retrograde May 2015 #174

One would think, right? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #175

Of course not. That's completey stupid. Iggo May 2015 #180

No (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #184

What an absurd question! bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #189

Yeah, isn't it? Until recently, I wouldn't have thought to even ask it, not here. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #193

I think clumsy mocking that's lacking in humour should be illegal... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #205

256-1 is still considered 100% Renew Deal May 2015 #206

Alles, was nicht pflicht ist, ist verboten. rogerashton May 2015 #211

Jesusfuckingchrist...No! Tom Ripley May 2015 #216

Odd's Bodkin, Christ on a crutch, and by the Prophet's beard, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #218

Good thing we cleared that up. el_bryanto May 2015 #237

I'm sure we'll get the "I'm sorry my accusations turned out to be BS" post any day now... N/T Chathamization May 2015 #275

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiraeth May 2015 #238

Hasa Diga Eebowai! (show tune reference) LeftinOH May 2015 #239

Insulting an imaginary being a crime? we can do it May 2015 #241

Just wanted to give BlueJazz a little company. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #249

I was wondering about that. KamaAina May 2015 #271

Heh. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #281

No. That's just fucking stupid. PoutrageFatigue May 2015 #256

Note to the two Yes voters: We can see you. KamaAina May 2015 #260

It seems you actually didn't see them. Chathamization May 2015 #270

No doubt, we're all all entitled to illustrate our character via valid satire... LanternWaste May 2015 #262

Hey, anything to counter the simplistic & omnipresent scolding and villifying of Arugula Latte May 2015 #285

While still others have been told no assistance because they were born on the wrong side of an imagi LanternWaste May 2015 #296

No, fictional supreme sky beings and their superstitious stories need insulting Matrosov May 2015 #265

I can think of no legal basis under which such speech could be criminalized. n/t malthaussen May 2015 #272

You mean insulting like this...? countryjake May 2015 #273

Jesus Christ is ACTUALLY on a trailer hitch. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #283

Is Tom Brady considered a Deity? FSogol May 2015 #292

Your creeping sharia is noted Capt. Obvious May 2015 #295

Oh, I'm sure Santorum would be on board. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #297

Yes nearly a percent of DU for example. Shocking. nt el_bryanto May 2015 #298

The people who had lists of decades-old scotus decisions to rationalize their arguments that Warren DeMontague May 2015 #299

One man's sharia law Capt. Obvious May 2015 #301

I don't see "Sharia Law" as a real threat in the US. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #302