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In reply to the discussion: pilot study on nicotine residues in houses of electronic cigarette users, tobacco smokers, and non s [View all]meow2u3
(24,966 posts)129. Public health authorities and agencies seem to use double standards against vapor products
Condoms Vs. E-Cigs and The Public Health Double Standard
Imagine its 1987. The HIV epidemic is in full swing; tens of thousands of adult men and womans immune systems are starting to wear down. Public health is in a major crisis. They know that unprotected sex is risky with multiple partners, after all this is something that doesnt just affect one person it affects those you have sex with, and this has facilitated a nearly meteoric rise of dying HIV patients. They also know that people being people will not just stop having sex. Not only that but human beings for the most part will not have sex with only one partner during their lifetime. They need something, anything that can help slow down this epidemic. They need a stopgap of sorts. If sex is legal and humans wont stop having sex maybe theyll be smarter about the sex theyll have. Enter into the equation condoms.
Condoms arent entirely safe. They can break, rip, tear and they do not protect you 100%. However, they protect you better than no protection at all. Imagine now if you will that there is a public health debate (actually this existed at the time). One of the most well-known and well-respected HIV researchers is at the table. He brings up condom use and HIV. He then proceeds to say this, We know condoms are safer than unprotected sex, but its not 100% safe. Wearing a condom is like jumping from a five-story building instead of a 50-foot building. Sure its safer but it still has risks, that is why I can not support promoting condom use for the public having sex. Imagine if the World Health Organization released a statement saying, Condoms have not gone through clinical trials in regards to HIV, therefore condom use is just as unsafe as sex without condoms. Imagine if the answer to the problem of HIV was abstinence and waiting. Of course, in theory, its the best stance to protect yourself 100%, but in reality it doesnt work. Its been proven over and over again.
Thankfully, most health officials didnt take on that stance during the HIV epidemic. They understood you had to use every tool in the toolbox to save as many human lives as possible. They understood that sex is going to happen. Sadly though there seems to be a double standard when it comes to cigarette smoking. We know that humans like to smoke. Theyve smoked different substances for hundreds of thousands of years. From cave man to billionaire, smoking has been there. Like sex with multiple partners, smoking seems to be a risk we as humans enjoy taking. For health officials, cigarette smoking is an even bigger epidemic than HIV. However, unlike with HIV many health officials around the world refuse to use every tool in the toolbox when it comes to smoking.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/condoms-vs-e-cigs-public-healths-double-standard-jonathan-burger?trk=hp-feed-article-title-publish
This guy just said what I've been trying in vain to explain for months: why is condom use OK among liberals to prevent the spread of STD's and HIV, but it's not OK for smokers to switch to vapor products? Tobacco control puritans are treating vapers like religious absolutist treat people who have sex for fun.
Imagine its 1987. The HIV epidemic is in full swing; tens of thousands of adult men and womans immune systems are starting to wear down. Public health is in a major crisis. They know that unprotected sex is risky with multiple partners, after all this is something that doesnt just affect one person it affects those you have sex with, and this has facilitated a nearly meteoric rise of dying HIV patients. They also know that people being people will not just stop having sex. Not only that but human beings for the most part will not have sex with only one partner during their lifetime. They need something, anything that can help slow down this epidemic. They need a stopgap of sorts. If sex is legal and humans wont stop having sex maybe theyll be smarter about the sex theyll have. Enter into the equation condoms.
Condoms arent entirely safe. They can break, rip, tear and they do not protect you 100%. However, they protect you better than no protection at all. Imagine now if you will that there is a public health debate (actually this existed at the time). One of the most well-known and well-respected HIV researchers is at the table. He brings up condom use and HIV. He then proceeds to say this, We know condoms are safer than unprotected sex, but its not 100% safe. Wearing a condom is like jumping from a five-story building instead of a 50-foot building. Sure its safer but it still has risks, that is why I can not support promoting condom use for the public having sex. Imagine if the World Health Organization released a statement saying, Condoms have not gone through clinical trials in regards to HIV, therefore condom use is just as unsafe as sex without condoms. Imagine if the answer to the problem of HIV was abstinence and waiting. Of course, in theory, its the best stance to protect yourself 100%, but in reality it doesnt work. Its been proven over and over again.
Thankfully, most health officials didnt take on that stance during the HIV epidemic. They understood you had to use every tool in the toolbox to save as many human lives as possible. They understood that sex is going to happen. Sadly though there seems to be a double standard when it comes to cigarette smoking. We know that humans like to smoke. Theyve smoked different substances for hundreds of thousands of years. From cave man to billionaire, smoking has been there. Like sex with multiple partners, smoking seems to be a risk we as humans enjoy taking. For health officials, cigarette smoking is an even bigger epidemic than HIV. However, unlike with HIV many health officials around the world refuse to use every tool in the toolbox when it comes to smoking.
Case in point, e-cigs. If you ask most public health officials particularly here in the USA youll the same response. E-cigs are undoubtedly safer than cigarettes, theyll usually admit that much. However, they will say we just dont have enough information on them and they have a nagging suspicion they arent as safe as they appear. For public health officials the mantra quit or die is very real. Much like the mantra of many advocates against sex education or condom distribution its, have sex with more than one partner and risk death. With opposition to condom use and birth control these people tend to be driven by a moral issue with sex. This type of thinking usual irks and annoys public health officials. Scientist and public health officials say abstinence only advocates cant see the forest for the trees on this issue. People have and always will engage in risky sex.
Thats why its so shocking that with e-cigs the issue public health has a problem with most seems to be a moral one. These public health officials outright say they do not want to renormalize smoking. They do not want to create a new generation of smokers using e-cigs. Think about this, theyre saying they it has nothing to do with e-cigs being safe or unsafe. They simply do not want someone simply using a product for the sake of enjoyment. Sounds a little familiar to those who simply oppose sex doesnt it?
Thats why its so shocking that with e-cigs the issue public health has a problem with most seems to be a moral one. These public health officials outright say they do not want to renormalize smoking. They do not want to create a new generation of smokers using e-cigs. Think about this, theyre saying they it has nothing to do with e-cigs being safe or unsafe. They simply do not want someone simply using a product for the sake of enjoyment. Sounds a little familiar to those who simply oppose sex doesnt it?
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/condoms-vs-e-cigs-public-healths-double-standard-jonathan-burger?trk=hp-feed-article-title-publish
This guy just said what I've been trying in vain to explain for months: why is condom use OK among liberals to prevent the spread of STD's and HIV, but it's not OK for smokers to switch to vapor products? Tobacco control puritans are treating vapers like religious absolutist treat people who have sex for fun.
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pilot study on nicotine residues in houses of electronic cigarette users, tobacco smokers, and non s [View all]
Sunlei
Aug 2015
OP
7.5 months smoke free thanks to vaping. Already down to between 6mg and 3mg nicotine juice.
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#3
There is a significant streak of prohibitionism within modern liberal thought.
Eleanors38
Aug 2015
#7
Public health authorities and agencies seem to use double standards against vapor products
meow2u3
Aug 2015
#129
I agree, of all the things in this world to go after, it had to be vaping.
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#36
Oh yeah, I talk to people online who are stockpiling liters of nic in their freezer.
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#64
I'll have to leave that to the pros. What little DIY I do is with nic base from
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#107
I just got a couple bottles from them in the mail today. GEJ makes some amazing juice!
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#106
I think vaping is a good alternative, and shouldn't be restricted like cigs, but
Eleanors38
Aug 2015
#70
I think you are absolutely right. I encourage my friends who smoke to switch to e-cigs, but
tblue37
Aug 2015
#91
I believe that vaping also allows smokers to enjoy the comforting physical process
tblue37
Aug 2015
#94
I believe that vaping also allows smokers to enjoy the comforting physical process
tblue37
Aug 2015
#94
It did work for me once too! I think there is something almost hypnotic about
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#11
Interesting! I had no cravings for years too. But I seem to relapse in extreme stress. Regarding
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#98
Was it as sudden and effective as it was for my friends? For them success was immediate. nt
tblue37
Aug 2015
#96
Wonderful--especially since the effect seems to have been permanent for you. nt
tblue37
Aug 2015
#101
All I can say is I'm very, very happy for everyone here that has stopped smoking!
herding cats
Aug 2015
#20
Good point. Vaping has improved the tech for marijuana use. Looking into it...
Eleanors38
Aug 2015
#71
I was just reading about the study that says sugary drinks are not bad for you
CBGLuthier
Aug 2015
#22
If I had never smoked or vaped, I would be glad for all the vapers quitting cigs.
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#43
Addiction from nicotine via vape is on par with caffeine addiction, not cigarette addiction.
beevul
Aug 2015
#50
…"it's unbefitting a liberal to attack people who've quit smoking by vaping instead."
MrMickeysMom
Aug 2015
#85
I'm not sure who's telling you to make that choice… It's certainly not me...
MrMickeysMom
Aug 2015
#102
Because there isn't any data to even answer that question, I'll take a crack at it...
MrMickeysMom
Aug 2015
#84
What I am saying is that in a nearly a decade, the only real problems that have existed with e-cigs
Liberal Veteran
Aug 2015
#120
My cough went away during the first week vaping. How's that for respiratory therapy?
Skeeter Barnes
Aug 2015
#109