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socialist_n_TN

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19. A worker/left/black/brown, etc militia would NOT be fighting for the "country"........
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

Against fascists it's primarily for self-defense. Of course the organization itself involved in self-defense militia could be used to take political power in a socialist revolution if popular and massive enough, but primarily it's about protecting yourself, your family, your identity group and your class. And I'm not sure moving to Ghana or Costa Rica would do much good against the world-wide reach of the American capitalist empire. Maybe for a while, but anytime a fascist USA wants to attack, they will attack anywhere in the world. That's obviously true of the current bourgeois American empire, so I don't see it being any different in a fascist America. That's why, IMO, it will need to be fought here.

And we ALL have a personal stake against fascism. The Jews were not the first people the Nazis went after when they took power in Germany. They went after the communists, socialists, and trade unionists first in order to secure their power because they knew that an organized and militant working class was the only group with enough societal power to stop them. Of course they used the racism of anti-Semitism to fire up the petit bourgeoisie and dissatisfied elements of the working class and criminal elements or lumpen proletariat, but they didn't go after racial minorities immediately. They had to secure power first.

And I do believe that Ukraine is a model of the societal forces involved in a fascist movement. Just because the outsider group in Ukraine was Russian speaking Slavs rather than black and brown Americans doesn't make it a different pattern. Just like the Jews weren't black or brown, for the most part anyway, in Nazi Germany. Fascism is all about the social forces involved rather than the different identity groups.

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Thank you Mr. Carroll JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #1
Fakeness Baobab Mar 2016 #5
Too many Americans were raised on "fake"..... daleanime Mar 2016 #7
No, things used to be a lot more real my friend Baobab Mar 2016 #8
I know what you mean, I call this the "Product Age".... daleanime Mar 2016 #10
SOCK PUPPETS? Baobab Mar 2016 #28
You are righ and just really visualize how much a billion dollars is. Jim Beard Mar 2016 #29
Disagree JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #11
Actually I believe they can be both........... socialist_n_TN Mar 2016 #13
I disagree on Militias JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #15
A worker/left/black/brown, etc militia would NOT be fighting for the "country"........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2016 #19
So you mean JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #20
Capital is global, so workers must be too........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2016 #21
And before the Trump rallies they very seldom met up with like minded people. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #26
All possibilities. I wonder about the Ventura prediction though..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2016 #2
Ive repeatedly heard that Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are friends Baobab Mar 2016 #6
You are confusing Donald Trump, the ass (wont refer to him as a man) and the Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #18
Chance that they (highly visible Trump thugs) are being paid to act that way? Baobab Mar 2016 #27
Go into any low class bar and offer #1-2,000 Jim Beard Mar 2016 #30
Ventura endorses Trump Al Carroll Mar 2016 #31
I hadn't seen where he had endorsed the Trumpeter..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2016 #32
I don't think many of his supporters safeinOhio Mar 2016 #3
That's not even considering the possibility that Trump supporters will be armed! LongTomH Mar 2016 #4
The over/under odds of any of this lastone Mar 2016 #9
Some of Trump's rallies remind me of similar events in Germany during the 1930s. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #12
I'm really scared to think what is going to happen at the RNC. Initech Mar 2016 #14
I won't be there JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #17
And I've invited my sister and close friends to come visit me in Arizona ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #23
Oh thank god JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #24
This is despite having read that the City of Cleveland has aquired $1,000,000s in riat gear. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #25
does not really matter how organized they are....got a bunch of yahoos armed to the teeth and really dembotoz Mar 2016 #16
Recced. Thanks, Prof. C. nt. Mc Mike Mar 2016 #22
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