Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Igel

(36,240 posts)
32. Except "neoliberalism" and "libertarianism" aren't synomyms.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jul 2016

Neoliberalism isn't Keynesian, but while it goes for a smaller state (meaning "less direct instructions and control&quot it tries to have the state control the economy through manipulating supply, demand, money supply, that sort of thing.

As opposed to having some dweeb sit there and issue orders as to how many widgets to make, where the flube that is required to make them will be sourced from, and how much the flube will cost and what the widgets will be sold for. That kind of a state is huge, and I think most of us want a state smaller than that. If a C&C economy a few idiots can destroy millions; in a neolib economy or any that's got laissez-faire elements in it it's a lot harder--the few idiots bankrupt themselves and others move into the economic space that's left. Unless they're "too big to fail," but if companies are allowed to fail naturally they typically do so like the Ottoman Empire failed.

Keynesian economics is no more control and command, but also includes some of the same practices for economic manipulation. Just from the other side, mostly.

Some love the idea of a control and command economy mostly because they like either being in control and giving commands or like ritual humiliation of others. Even if it doesn't help them. (I've never gotten schadenfreude. Deriving joy from others' misfortune has a tradition in my family, one which, fortunately, I simply can't understand any more than I can give you the production specs for "flube". I try, and draw a complete _______________.) But they often like C&C because they simply don't trust others (and do trust government, at least when it's doing what they like) and don't recognize the huge downside and incredibly inefficiencies it produces. C&C is doomed to fail pretty much always. The exceptions are when an economy is being built out of nothing and large-scale production of a few simple products is necessary. Otherwise it's FUBARific.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Neo liberalism in the rest of the world is what neocons were to america. PNAC has closed up shop but applegrove Jun 2016 #1
Neoconservativism is different from neoliberalism Scootaloo Jun 2016 #2
Then what George W. Bush practiced when he went into Iraq and thought he would free up capital and applegrove Jun 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #3
HRC does not promote "Trickle Down Economics" nor "Thousand Points of Light" emulatorloo Jun 2016 #6
Your the only one that made that connection FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #7
"Now we know where Hiliary got the term "Rainbows and Unicorns" emulatorloo Jun 2016 #8
FUCK NeoLiberals FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #9
You need to calm down and chill out. KMOD Jul 2016 #12
Actually they did not close up, they reformed under different names newthinking Jun 2016 #10
Know your NeoCons: The Kagans - A Family Business of Perpetual War newthinking Jun 2016 #11
That fucking piece of shit needs to be JEB Jul 2016 #14
I don't much worry about what they are called. I will know them by their works. nt silvershadow Jun 2016 #5
That's great. We're working on keeping the White House KMOD Jul 2016 #13
I don't have a goal. Except to play nice and not get booted here. nt silvershadow Jul 2016 #15
Don't the vibrations of love and respect rejuvenate your spirit? jtuck004 Jul 2016 #17
. KMOD Jul 2016 #19
I think I need some of your stash. LOL silvershadow Jul 2016 #26
If that's your goal, why are you here? KMOD Jul 2016 #18
Um, no. I just came off a two week time out, after which the whole dynamic of DU changed. silvershadow Jul 2016 #25
Yes. I also came off of a very long time out. KMOD Jul 2016 #27
Yes, thank you, I am certainly fully aware of that. Civility does not include stifling silvershadow Jul 2016 #28
Excuse me? KMOD Jul 2016 #29
You saying actions speak louder than words? Rex Jul 2016 #16
The words of some, make me think that their actions also , suck. KMOD Jul 2016 #20
Agree 100%. Rex Jul 2016 #21
I quite aware of where you stand, Rex. KMOD Jul 2016 #23
Yep. Rex Jul 2016 #24
lulz Rex Jul 2016 #22
Except "neoliberalism" and "libertarianism" aren't synomyms. Igel Jul 2016 #32
True there are social libertarians and conservative libertarians. Rex Jul 2016 #33
Some people will label anything they don't like as "neoliberalism". baldguy Jul 2016 #30
There are many flavors of that bad habit JHB Jul 2016 #31
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»A little PSA about the te...»Reply #32