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Warren DeMontague

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22. you gotta do what you gotta do, but I can explain my reasoning for reaching

Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:06 AM

Sep 2016

the opposite conclusion, from that event.

And I say this as someone from a Jewish family that had relatives in those camps. And I have friends in Skokie. I remember when this all happened.

But I do believe- as noxious as Nazis and Neo-Nazis are- that defending the principle which allowed them to air their foul views, was defending a bedrock cornerstone of liberty that is the exact antithesis of everything Naziism is about.

By allowing them to speak, the Nazis lost. If a precedent had been established that government could shut down unpopular or offensive speech- that would have been one step down the road to the exact sort of situation those fuckheads want.

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How long before DU decides to turn on the ACLU... [View all] Lancero Sep 2016 OP

Much of DU already hates the ACLU for supporting the Citizens United decision (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2016 #1

ya can't help but question that move for sure. very very strange Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #2

I don't Bucky Sep 2016 #8

Amen to that Bucky. Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2016 #20

Well said PatSeg Sep 2016 #30

YOU ONLY SPEAK FOR YOURSELF & A FEW REPUBLICANS!!! Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #14

Do you have a link or anything? demmiblue Sep 2016 #3

THE ACLU AND CITIZENS UNITED Omaha Steve Sep 2016 #37

I support the ACLU when I agree with them.... Adrahil Sep 2016 #4

^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Sep 2016 #5

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #40

ACLU has defended the Klan, T-Baggers and Limbaugh among others. lpbk2713 Sep 2016 #6

ACLU position on flag desecration klook Sep 2016 #27

+1, good point... they have a history of having the strength of their convictions uponit7771 Sep 2016 #41

I turned on them 40 years ago marybourg Sep 2016 #7

Yes, god forbid you uphold a principle when it applies to shitheads. X_Digger Sep 2016 #11

They can speak, but they're marybourg Sep 2016 #16

you gotta do what you gotta do, but I can explain my reasoning for reaching Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #22

"I support free speech. Not as a preference, but as a principle." NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #24

Strange reason to "turn" on them...I thought the ACLU was incredibly brave and courageous tritsofme Sep 2016 #12

"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship" LongtimeAZDem Sep 2016 #17

If he wishes to speak, fine. marybourg Sep 2016 #18

But my money is MY speech AlbertCat Sep 2016 #32

"Corporations are people, my friend." -- Rmoney. Iggo Sep 2016 #35

The only proper response would be to get yourself... Rochester Sep 2016 #19

I hate Illinois nazis. Iggo Sep 2016 #36

That has happened many times liberal N proud Sep 2016 #9

If they have to remain 'pure' and can't make decisions on their own... randome Sep 2016 #10

The ACLU went over the top ages ago. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #13

Free Him,,,, Has Russia Locked him up Cryptoad Sep 2016 #15

There are people here who think that it should be illegal to draw 'blasphemous' cartoons. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #21

Since the ACLU is very pro-free speech... NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #23

DU has never really liked the ACLU linuxman Sep 2016 #25

Ten minuites n/t Kilgore Sep 2016 #26

while i respect the ACLU, i also have often thought some of their stances went against my principles La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #28

DU is never more than one Rawstory 'article' away from turning on anything. Bonx Sep 2016 #29

LOL...I only wish I could disagree. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #39

?? Been away from DU for awhile, have we? Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #31

Correct! Everyone is falling for Stone's marketing for his film. FSogol Sep 2016 #33

There are many authoritarians among Democrats alarimer Sep 2016 #34

That is their right however naive I think they're being but arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #38

I support free speech for all including assholes. PufPuf23 Sep 2016 #42

Free speech is free speeh. But what is speech? Is it something tangible and attributable? haele Sep 2016 #43