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13. My own fear is that if one attempts to appeal to every voter, there will be no real platform.

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 01:35 PM

Aug 2017

The real obstacles, in my view, are suppression and gerrymandering. Democrats win in the issues and lose in the elections.

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Democrats Willing to Fund Pro-Life Candidates to Win Back Congress [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

We need to recognize that not all districts are progressive. Blue_true Aug 2017 #1

My Congressman, a Democrat, was against the ACA and is a self-described "pro life" Democrat. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #3

Sounds like. Blue_true Aug 2017 #7

My Representative is Dan Lipinksi of the 3rd District in Illinois. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #10

Mine was Stupak who was prolife and voted for ACA Kaleva Aug 2017 #8

At least he was consistent in that. Mine is Lipinski of Illinois. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #11

Stupak also cosponsered legislation to normalize relatios with Cuba Kaleva Aug 2017 #15

Right-to-work? We could pick up lots of anti-union voters! delisen Aug 2017 #31

And all of this illustrates the problem. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #37

The single platform will be marijuana Not Ruth Aug 2017 #63

I dont care if someone is pro-life...as long as they are also pro-choice nt Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #2

Agreed. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #4

Well put! wryter2000 Aug 2017 #4

When it comes to my own personal decisions, I am pro-life. Blue_true Aug 2017 #19

Dem campaign chief vows no litmus test on abortion G_j Aug 2017 #6

True. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #9

good question.. G_j Aug 2017 #12

My own fear is that if one attempts to appeal to every voter, there will be no real platform. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #13

"The real obstacles, in my view, are suppression and gerrymandering. G_j Aug 2017 #14

We should consider the loss of the misogynist vote a badge of honor. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #16

So then more republicans get elected while nothing changes? John Barcell Aug 2017 #17

I will not sacrifice women's rights to win elections. Period. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #18

Elect. Blue_true Aug 2017 #22

I don't help elect someone unless I cast a vote for them. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #24

I hope all the Democrats that stayed home in the 2016 election think this way, too. JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #41

There's a difference between misogynists and an ideology steeped in misogyny John Barcell Aug 2017 #46

Anti-woman, hatred of women, seeking to control women & resrict their rights is not misogyny? uppityperson Aug 2017 #47

You're stereotyping and subsequently creating a strawman. John Barcell Aug 2017 #53

WE are talking about misogyny. It's not haphazard and neither a "dog whistle" nor "stereotyping" uppityperson Aug 2017 #67

They're common terms in political analysis for anybody who wants to have meaningful discussion John Barcell Aug 2017 #71

Pro-life gives that clump of cells the right to control the woman. It does marginalize women to not uppityperson Aug 2017 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #93

If you follow an ideology that hates and marginalizes women, you're misogynist. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #49

k, good luck voting for nobody. John Barcell Aug 2017 #50

If their religious beliefs marginalize women then, yes, they are out. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #58

Either you don't vote, or you've proved my point. John Barcell Aug 2017 #68

I'm going to make this really easy for you by setting it out bit by bit. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #73

As my mom used to say, she hoped we'd never have an abortion but fought hard to keep the right uppityperson Aug 2017 #76

maybe the main religions should use a bit of logic and reason and actually question NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #61

Goal post change! uppityperson Aug 2017 #64

You wouldn't sacrifice woman's rights, if you read any of my post you'd understand that John Barcell Aug 2017 #45

"Nobody is going to roll back woman's rights in a democratic government. Not ever." Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #48

you are either incredibly naive or intentionally obtuse NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #62

I forgot about all the bipartisan "defense of marriage" legislation John Barcell Aug 2017 #65

"Nobody is going to roll back woman's rights"??? Good Lord, do you not read the news? uppityperson Aug 2017 #70

Yes, that is exactly what I imply. John Barcell Aug 2017 #72

Like Bob Casey jr? uppityperson Aug 2017 #75

we are seeing daily things we never thought were possible under trump. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #91

We have an 80%, no way contingent here. Blue_true Aug 2017 #21

Thanks for the right-wing talking points. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #26

Do you understand. Blue_true Aug 2017 #35

I would be more than happy to explain to them why they're wrong. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #38

Blacks and Hispanics vote heavily Democratic. Blue_true Aug 2017 #39

I'm supporting women's rights. What are you doing? Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #40

I'd rather we focus on winning statehouses, so we can deal with the gerrymandering in 2020 Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #20

I agree that a majority of American support choice. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #25

We need to get better at framing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #28

And framing was the reason that people like the ACA while also hating "Obamacare". guillaumeb Aug 2017 #32

Agree 100%. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #33

I think pro-life is such a compromised and "politically" misleading term that any candidate Johonny Aug 2017 #23

I agree that the term "pro-life" is very vague. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27

I dont have anything against fetuses, either. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #29

Agreed. It is not being "anti-fetus" to be in favor of being for a woman's freedom to choose. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #34

Any of the above? loyalsister Aug 2017 #30

True. The term is vague and it is easy to define it in many different ways. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #36

I don't see how you could be legitimately called anti-choice loyalsister Aug 2017 #42

I liked your response. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #43

The voting rights are vague loyalsister Aug 2017 #44

You should have included a choice like "This will demonstrate that control of Congress".... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #51

He needed a line that says BainsBane Aug 2017 #55

It demonstrates to me BainsBane Aug 2017 #52

We've already lost a lot of focus on workers and income disparity... HopeAgain Aug 2017 #54

Oh, but plunging women and children into poverty BainsBane Aug 2017 #56

We do agree on some things Omaha Steve Aug 2017 #60

Nah, I'm definitely pro-death. hunter Aug 2017 #57

Other--All of the above southerncrone Aug 2017 #59

Do you want someone to have a chance on states like KS or WV.. Casprings Aug 2017 #66

Will you be pushing to primary Bob Casey? (PA-SEN) brooklynite Aug 2017 #69

Then he's pro-choice. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #77

You can be both pro-life and pro-choice. Whatever your personal or religious beliefs are, pnwmom Aug 2017 #81

You cannot be pro-choice and pro-life. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #84

No, they aren't. Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, and many others pnwmom Aug 2017 #85

Like I said, pro-life is a political position. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #86

We should help the best Democrat available in each district Renew Deal Aug 2017 #78

You can be pro-life, like Joe Biden, as long as you are pro-choice, too. pnwmom Aug 2017 #80

My philosophy also. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #92

The key is always economic empowerment Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #82

And access to services must accompany that empowerment. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #94

Thing is it is a domino affect Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #98

I agree about economic empowerment being vital. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #99

The Biden that will clearly state that personal belief won't interfere with his vote, works. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #83

All this time of pronouncements that party critics needed a reason to vote FOR Democrats BainsBane Aug 2017 #87

To me, the primary reason to vote for Democrats is that they are the better of the two guillaumeb Aug 2017 #95

I am a pro-life Democrat. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #88

No, we do not need Democrats who would take away our basic human rights. DLevine Aug 2017 #89

Excellent points. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #96

I have specific circumstances for my vote on this Bradical79 Aug 2017 #101

Who else u want to sell out?? dembotoz Aug 2017 #90

Are you addressing me personally? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #97

I am sick and tired of let water down reproductive Rights dembotoz Aug 2017 #100

Ask not who we can sacrifice to win votes; ask instead delisen Aug 2017 #102

A nice rewording. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #103