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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders voters helped Trump become President [View all]
Freethinker65
(11,194 posts)223. So 12% of Bernie Sanders voters were anyone but Hillary voters. Who cares? She is not running again.
Also, there was social media micro-targeting done by analytics firms to influence particular subsets of voters and Russian interference, and the media's incessant coverage of Hillary "scandals".
Blaming a minority subset of Bernie Sanders supporters now is a waste of time and it seems pretty obvious it is being done to pit the always for Hillary voters against the majority of Bernie Sanders supporters that did vote for Hillary.
Anecdotally I know several staunch Republicans that did not vote for Trump that during the next election will most likely return to vote Republican. How many voters like that were there? Does this matter?
The next race will not be Hillary vs. Trump. I am all for learning from setbacks and defeats, but the Bernie bashing is tedious.
FYI : I voted for Bernie in the Primary and Hillary for President. I am still numb and in disbelief that Trump won.
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That would make them Nationalists. So yeah, that might be a factor and would fit in with other
Hoyt
Aug 2017
#10
Nationalists, American Firsters, screw the rest of worlders, Our jobs are more important than
Hoyt
Aug 2017
#502
Easy Buddy...I figured that bottle of Jack you downed earlier would have done you in..lol!!
Docreed2003
Aug 2017
#228
Anyone who backed Edwards ... well, that's a historical embarassment, to say the least.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2017
#358
it shows she is full of shit . it doesn't matter what edwards was seen as . yeah, he had dumbfuck
JI7
Aug 2017
#359
"She thinks that a vote for Trump could bring the revolution, so to speak,"
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Aug 2017
#507
Hillary also promised to reform NAFTA. Why the fuck would anyone believe a Trump promise?
SunSeeker
Aug 2017
#181
The voters in the rust belt talked about here have little in common with Sarandon
Tom Rinaldo
Aug 2017
#412
IOW, Sanders appealed to the needed Independents, whom Hillary could not win over.
thesquanderer
Aug 2017
#431
re: "any of those votes that did migrate from Bernie to Trump I don't think Hillary ever had anyway"
thesquanderer
Aug 2017
#486
I think virtually every Clinton voter would have voted for Sanders over Trump. But...
thesquanderer
Aug 2017
#488
Assuming that this is actually true....hopefully the DNC will learn a lesson from this....
virtualobserver
Aug 2017
#7
"You don't see the Republicans re-litigating the existence of challengers to Trump..."
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#365
Yes, if only we had had a broad field of DEMOCRATS to choose from in 2016
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2017
#109
The GOP field is irrelevant. I'm suggesting that if we want to look at what WE can do better
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2017
#215
I think it felt that way only because a couple dropped out very early- people forget they were ever
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#247
I suspect if Senator Warren had run, Bernie wouldn't have gotten in.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2017
#276
I can't get away with rehashing the primary here, as even when I talk about the GE I get frivolous
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#282
So do I. I think a bigger field would have been better but not clown car big like the GOP.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#294
I've lost count of the number of threads that blame third party candidates for our losses.
progressoid
Aug 2017
#310
I'd say the lesson is to not nominate someone with almost no appeal outside the Dem party. (n/t)
thesquanderer
Aug 2017
#430
Clinton's favorables were in the high 60's when she left State. Not just Democrats
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#453
It obviously was not based on intellectual reasoning. Not based on policies.
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#66
Wonder if Hillary will mention this in her book splainin "What Happened"?... Doubtful.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#74
She's not making the claim. It was an analysis of the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Survey
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#101
I wonder if she'll speculate as to why the only other Democrat in the primary race
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2017
#170
You seem to forget HRC's favorability numbers were in the high 60's when she left State
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#349
How, exactly, did they do that? If you are going to say Brazile gave Clinton debate questions,
Squinch
Aug 2017
#196
If you aren't familiar with all of the things that the DNC did to favor a particular candidate.....
virtualobserver
Aug 2017
#205
One question. About the water crisis in Flint during the Flint debate. And the Times article
Squinch
Aug 2017
#384
so why did she email the Hillary campaign and say that " a woman with a rash"....
virtualobserver
Aug 2017
#392
No. None of the articles mentioned multiple questions. And Brazile probably initially denied
Squinch
Aug 2017
#383
One question is all anyone has ever referred to, and it is all the source email ever discussed.
Squinch
Aug 2017
#394
All your article adds is that she shared "potential town hall topics" with the Clinton campaign, but
Squinch
Aug 2017
#399
The favoritism was imagined. And the vote for Trump(R) was revenge for their little fever dream.
Squinch
Aug 2017
#382
Nope, it was Wikileaks spin. "Confirmed" by clickbait exploitive bloggers and Russia Today
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#454
If you aren't going to run a fair race, you might as well just eliminate primaries.
virtualobserver
Aug 2017
#377
If many Dem voters are going to listen to bot conspiracies that let them express their
Squinch
Aug 2017
#385
Conspiracy theories ginned up by bots that resulted in an outcry against a good candidate by her
Squinch
Aug 2017
#395
I see the cynicism coming from an entirely different location. And I see a lot of dumb people
Squinch
Aug 2017
#400
I guarantee that no matter what the DNC does, certain idiots will be alienated because they
Squinch
Aug 2017
#402
Was there really any doubt? Everything in the world was against Clinton -- Comey, Russia, Nazis,
Hoyt
Aug 2017
#8
He also beat a slew of republican "talent" conservative media raved about for years.
JHan
Aug 2017
#51
A lot of it was an emotional reaction probably. Anger. Maybe some didn't like a female candidate.
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#62
Yes, the electoral college must go... someone needs to lead the fight for this.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#308
He's repulsive. I tend to think he's like looking at a train wreck but all publicity is
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#422
No I meant you are defensive about an article that isn't about you or any of us Bernie primary
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#341
Hopefully this has impressed upon her that there are times and places for symbolic votes...
Salviati
Aug 2017
#145
Then there are the ones who were so mad Bernie did not win the nomination
redstatebluegirl
Aug 2017
#421
This is really going to get nasty when Sanders is the first to throw his hat in the ring.
Weekend Warrior
Aug 2017
#14
He is spending more time outside of the state he represents than in it.
Weekend Warrior
Aug 2017
#49
I agree that he'd be too old to be starting a 4 year term & if Warren runs, wouldn't he stay out?
MrPurple
Aug 2017
#140
I'm almost certain that he will run. His ego is to big to see the negatives you listed
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#115
No doubt... and why not? Bernie's only the most popular politician in America today!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#65
He's lost a lot of his following, including me. I don't have much love for him anymore. He did not
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#138
Popularity can be short-lived. HRC's popularity was in the upper 60's when she left State
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#337
No one splains it better than Bernie, especially to overflowing crowds at his rallys.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#456
Elizabeth would be awesome! Unfortunately a lot of ageists here will disagree.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#123
They don't like "establishment" politicians and that's part of Russia's attack on our institutions
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#22
There is a not too subtle implication that Bernie supporters aren't loyal.
progressoid
Aug 2017
#296
The facts of the OP are that Sanders voters are more loyal than "usual".
redgreenandblue
Aug 2017
#368
Well they were targeted to suppress the vote in the general according to our IC....
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#20
Not seeing anybody arguing Bernie or his campaign had anything to with this small minority of voters
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#498
Makes sense for sure, Sanders people were really pissed clinton got the nod.......
Old Vet
Aug 2017
#46
Kinda like all the pissed off Clinton supporters who voted for McCain in 2008
Major Nikon
Aug 2017
#52
I was a Clinton supporter but would never have dreamed of voting Repub. I have as much disdain
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#203
Regardless many more did, and the election was projected to be much closer
Major Nikon
Aug 2017
#213
I wasn't aware of those stats. That is seriously fucked up! A distant friend did this but she was
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#232
Which is why I don't want to listen to them bitch about Trump now. This happened in 2000, and...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#37
If you voted Dem. in the end, you shouldn't have to feel bad. I supported Clinton over Obama
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#218
Yes, there is no reason to continue this argument. Learn the lessons and move on.
YOHABLO
Aug 2017
#60
It's almost like empowering and raising up surrogates that go on to support a 3rd party or...
SaschaHM
Aug 2017
#64
The article says the majority of Bernie supporters voted for the Dem in the GE
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#338
Guilt by association I guess. I too voted for Hillary despite all the condemnation of Bernie...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#128
It did. Thank you. I think the majority of us only have problems with the ones who didn't vote Dem.
kerry-is-my-prez
Aug 2017
#227
Apparently not. I expect a couple dozen anti-Stein and anti-green threads before the week is out.
Gore1FL
Aug 2017
#87
Well some polls came out- so its current events. About the election, not the primary.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#188
Article's not about you. All DU Sanders supporters voted for the Dem in the general
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#334
I never doubted it. Their disgraceful display during the convention spoke volumes
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#94
Now we know. The answer is closed primaries. Reg as a Democrat and you get to vote
TeamPooka
Aug 2017
#104
Who knew? Regardless, Bernie has moved on - quite well I might add - and is leading the resistance.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#116
Yes... 50 lashes for the guy who's currently the country's most popular politician.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Aug 2017
#132
Clearly the article is talking about BS's followers who did not vote for Hillary, not BS himself.
Squinch
Aug 2017
#202
And all DU Sanders Supporters voted for HRC in the general. Not understanding the overreaction
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#345
It's as predictable as summer following spring, but I don't understand it either.
Squinch
Aug 2017
#387
That last tweet makes it clear. Sadly, nothing is going to change the fact we have Prez Trump now.
Hoyt
Aug 2017
#231
No doubt some Sanders' voters helped Trump, but some former Obama voters made a bigger difference
andym
Aug 2017
#122
Yes. This is what is discussed in the first article I wrote as well-- here are some quotes:
andym
Aug 2017
#367
I think Hillary supporters in the primary would have voted for the Democratic candidate
aikoaiko
Aug 2017
#179
With 4 million votes less in the primaries and no support in key states? Virtually impossible. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2017
#283
Yes, they most certainly did. And now we're all stuck with the fallout. NT
Bleacher Creature
Aug 2017
#126
what kind of a loonball would vote for trump after listening to his BS for 6 mos?
mdbl
Aug 2017
#146
I don't disagree. There were numerous reasons Hillary lost. We need to own all of them and
applegrove
Aug 2017
#204
I have no rightious indignation. I knew Bernie was an issue here when I posted.
applegrove
Aug 2017
#278
PW lists 7 or so of the most salient political stories a day. It is an amalgamation
applegrove
Aug 2017
#198
Holy crap, this was posted barely two hours ago and already there are 200 responses!!!
George II
Aug 2017
#208
And can anyone blame Sanders for the string of GOP victories at the state level?
guillaumeb
Aug 2017
#222
So 12% of Bernie Sanders voters were anyone but Hillary voters. Who cares? She is not running again.
Freethinker65
Aug 2017
#223
Reading to the end shows Sanders voters are more loyal to the party, actually
Lordquinton
Aug 2017
#253
The fact that he attracted some Republican voters is most likely due to a common practice
pnwmom
Aug 2017
#504
Actually enough of them voted for Stein or wrote in someone's name other than
still_one
Aug 2017
#350
Actually, there were a good number of DUers who LEFT DU because they refused to vote for the
still_one
Aug 2017
#388
Well you've summarized the article well. It isn't about DU Sanders supporters, or Bernie
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#351
Exactly, and it only took a minority of them, and the minority that did it mostly voted for Stein or
still_one
Aug 2017
#357
There are NOT two wings of the Democratic party. Those who refused to vote for the Democratic
still_one
Aug 2017
#380
Did you read the whole article? It is normal that the middle doesn't hold. And some in the
applegrove
Aug 2017
#323
Those were likely trolls. I don't think any real DUers celebrated Trump's win.
applegrove
Aug 2017
#322
So you know they were Bernie fans on Twitter? I can't quite take the pulse of Twitter.
applegrove
Aug 2017
#326
There you have it. Had Bernie been our nominee, he would have beat Trump handily. We tried
brewens
Aug 2017
#328
"This is your fault. If you had just paid our ransom, we wouldn't have had to kill the country."
Maven
Aug 2017
#427
Please. He didn't even get enough votes to win the primary. In fact he never came even close.
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#485
Those Sanders' supporters that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee, bear the
still_one
Aug 2017
#348
What it actually was was that some voters who backed Bernie out of alienation in the spring..
Ken Burch
Aug 2017
#354
Lets be fair at least 12% of his voters were never democrat voters they were Bernie voters
krawhitham
Aug 2017
#364
Maybe we should call them racist and sexist some more. That might persuade them. nt
redgreenandblue
Aug 2017
#366
if they voted for trump they are racist and sexist. no need to persuade them of anything
JI7
Aug 2017
#373
It makes sense that those are the SAME ones who are pissed-off at Newsweek and...
NurseJackie
Aug 2017
#423
That block of Sanders voters NEVER WOULD have voted for HRC anyway. So it's a moot point.
vkkv
Aug 2017
#466
If you really "voted for Hillary", then the article isn't about you, now is it?
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#477
You voted for Hillary. No one is questioning you or holding anything against you. nt
SunSeeker
Aug 2017
#483
I'm having a hard time figuring out why some of you are protesting so much if you all "voted for...
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#489
Au contraire. We may lose, but it won't be because of "attacking the very people......". If you..
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#501