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Dark n Stormy Knight

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90. I've been very conflicted about this since well before Franken was accused.

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:40 AM

Dec 2017

Years of women being put on trial for the crime of daring to tell the truth and the women who didn't dare speak out because of this injustice is infuriating & heartbreaking.

Going by the experiences of my female friends & family members, any statistic claiming much less than less than 100% of women having dealt with some sort of uninvited, unwelcome, or inappropriate sexual advance is understating the frequency with which this occurs.

On the other hand, how can justice be served if an accusation, any accusation, is taken unquestionably as proof of guilt?

And, not to dismiss any inappropriate behavior of this nature, but how can there be no recognition of the difference between various degrees of misconduct?

So, as far as this particular case at this particular moment, I don't take it lightly. But I come down on the side you've presented so well here. Thanks for your post.

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Fuck.This.Shit. - HARDER & With a Vengeance [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2017 OP

+a million. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1

Post NOT removed. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #24

I hope you write him and tell him LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #167

I did email him to urge him not to resign, but I'm afraid The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #168

Well said, my dear Nance, and I share your anger. You speak for me! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #2

Damn right Egnever Dec 2017 #3

I did also catrose Dec 2017 #44

Thanks for posting my Sh't List! democratisphere Dec 2017 #103

You left out Warren CountAllVotes Dec 2017 #128

By the end of the day catrose Dec 2017 #164

Right on target. Scarsdale Dec 2017 #98

I sent emails to Franken xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #155

K&R my thoughts exactly. Nt BootinUp Dec 2017 #4

"You put one of ours in the hospital, we put one of yours in the morgue" dalton99a Dec 2017 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author beaglelover Dec 2017 #6

Why am I not surprised? n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #8

And I can't believe it wasn't shut down! Plucketeer Dec 2017 #51

By you? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #10

Yeah, that's it. JFC, no, not by me. I sent her a PM to let her know how I voted. beaglelover Dec 2017 #11

You should self-delete. Somebody is likely to alert on your post. yardwork Dec 2017 #18

I did not alert on it gollygee Dec 2017 #31

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #7

K&R Nance. Whoever alerted on this, please PM me. I have words for you. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #9

Franken should scold "fair weather Democrats" at press conference. oasis Dec 2017 #12

Democrats jumped on board real fast to bring down ACORN. And it was all based on bullshit. rusty quoin Dec 2017 #13

Another example of spinelessness. alarimer Dec 2017 #123

Perfectly stated Bettie Dec 2017 #14

The Democratic Party is making a huge mistake. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #15

Once again world wide wally Dec 2017 #20

Thank you Nance Greggs bdamomma Dec 2017 #16

That's the way I feel Qanisqineq Dec 2017 #33

And we just handed Alabama to Roy Moore. Fuck!!!!!! Initech Dec 2017 #17

K&R uponit7771 Dec 2017 #19

Anybody remember Shirley Sherrod? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #21

Yup snort Dec 2017 #39

Yes. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #50

Of course dalton99a Dec 2017 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #106

Bannon and Breitbart. This operation has their smell all over it. nt oasis Dec 2017 #114

The media wrote that narrative Nevernose Dec 2017 #171

Democrats always bring a copy of Robert's Rules of Order to a knife fight renate Dec 2017 #22

Agreed. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #25

I remember reading that comment in an earlier post of yours lunasun Dec 2017 #61

Goddamn eloquently right! I've been shouting this early and often all damned day. ancianita Dec 2017 #23

Damn straight! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #26

right on. doesn't even have to be sexual misconduct. they don't want Obama to nominate a wiggs Dec 2017 #27

I regret that I have but one rec to give this, Nance... JHB Dec 2017 #28

You always say what I FEEL Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #29

Thank you SHRED Dec 2017 #30

Bravo Nance! This is one of your best yet! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #32

Nance, this is the best thing I have read all day. FuzzyRabbit Dec 2017 #34

Absolutely. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #49

Spot on pandr32 Dec 2017 #35

This post says it all. Well done! I agree with all of it 100% rainy Dec 2017 #36

The Repugs again have launched an attack TarponSnook Dec 2017 #37

We don't need to have an internal war in our party like the republicans have now. dubyadiprecession Dec 2017 #38

You really think republicans will turn out for us ornotna Dec 2017 #47

Republican women will for sure. dubyadiprecession Dec 2017 #52

Just like they did when they voted for Trump? LisaL Dec 2017 #62

Republican Women lunasun Dec 2017 #64

Have you heard the Republican women ... NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #69

LOL, no they do what their husbands tell them. bettyellen Dec 2017 #77

... Javaman Dec 2017 #79

Republican women vote for a racist pig last time...... stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #101

Oh baloney...if they were not going to turn out to stop the pussy grabber in Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #109

No. They won't Bettie Dec 2017 #120

That is true. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #166

You're so mistaken. herding cats Dec 2017 #170

OMG! NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #58

The high road is the same as having the higher amount of votes in the Presidential election ck4829 Dec 2017 #100

Exactly...worthless. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #110

Fuck the high road...and I would argue ending a distinguished Senator's career using unproven Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #112

If he's actually guilty! Ligyron Dec 2017 #137

thank you for saying this orleans Dec 2017 #40

My most heartfelt thanks for your post! scarletwoman Dec 2017 #41

I know I'm not supposed to say this, and it may get me in trouble mountain grammy Dec 2017 #42

Why would this be juried anyway? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #113

Good question. I feel that way about most alerted posts I get. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #115

Sometimes...I am amazed when asked to serve. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #117

I know, right? Agree. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #118

Nice post. FWIW I just spent some time contacting Gillibrand and Schumer to let them Persondem Dec 2017 #43

I will confess DonCoquixote Dec 2017 #45

Well said Nance ornotna Dec 2017 #46

Best said. I have told Gillibrand, Harris, Schumer, and the DNC to sinkingfeeling Dec 2017 #48

Agree! Sen Gillibrand led the charge, from the first whisper. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #53

Can you send this to all our senators? Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #54

I really don't bdamomma Dec 2017 #63

Absolutely spot on. WoonTars Dec 2017 #55

K&R #99 ffr Dec 2017 #56

Thank You Nance! blue-wave Dec 2017 #57

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2017 #59

Exactly! May I add... what about the women who publicly supported Franken? What has that done to chowder66 Dec 2017 #65

If we Democrats want to keep a higher moral ground.... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2017 #66

Speechless Inblueheaven Dec 2017 #67

Thanks, NanceGreggs. You speak for me. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #68

Not just YES, but a HAYELLLL F***ING YES from this Dem ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #70

K&R orangecrush Dec 2017 #71

Thank you TuxedoKat Dec 2017 #72

I wonder how Kirsten Gillibrand Mr. Evil Dec 2017 #73

As a victim of sexual abuse angrychair Dec 2017 #74

Agree. Its heartbreaking to see where so many DUers stand on this once Franken was accused. MadDAsHell Dec 2017 #81

I am more than happy to tell you NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #83

Maybe angrychair Dec 2017 #86

As a victim of sexual abuse Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #107

So very well said! I agree with your thoughts. Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #75

K&R Luciferous Dec 2017 #76

If moore wins, we are done. forget 2018 AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #78

Yes, exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #92

The only way Moore loses now if he is caught in a motel. alarimer Dec 2017 #124

Bravo wisteria Dec 2017 #80

I keep coming back to this post Bettie Dec 2017 #82

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COLGATE4 Dec 2017 #84

THANK YOU!!! 💞 Duppers Dec 2017 #85

Oh so well said! Blue_Roses Dec 2017 #87

.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #88

Your best post ever Nance WyLoochka Dec 2017 #89

I've been very conflicted about this since well before Franken was accused. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #90

Great post. area51 Dec 2017 #91

Hear! Hear! burrowowl Dec 2017 #93

+1,000 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #94

Thank you. I'm disgusted and disappointed. betsuni Dec 2017 #95

Agree Meowmee Dec 2017 #96

Excellent lillypaddle Dec 2017 #97

I always love Nance Gregg OPs! octoberlib Dec 2017 #99

K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #102

If Franken resigns, expect the following: Dale Neiburg Dec 2017 #104

This turn of events is so discouraging liberal N proud Dec 2017 #105

+10000000- Watch the GOP won't seat the replacement before the tax vote and they get it through... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #108

Send this to Franken BigBearJohn Dec 2017 #111

Truth. ananda Dec 2017 #116

hear! hear! k&r Little Star Dec 2017 #119

Absolutely. +1,000 PatrickforO Dec 2017 #121

Chuck Shumer has always been a disappointment. alarimer Dec 2017 #122

I believe we need to see the list of (Dem) senators rock Dec 2017 #125

See post #44 in this thread for the list. WestMichRad Dec 2017 #130

Thanks rock Dec 2017 #131

AMEN!! samnsara Dec 2017 #126

I love this thread Gothmog Dec 2017 #127

I am heartsick. 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #129

100% in agreement with you, Nance. WestMichRad Dec 2017 #132

Right on! KPN Dec 2017 #133

K and Fucking R! geardaddy Dec 2017 #134

I lost faith in the Democratic Party a long time ago. And I haven't gotten it back. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #135

Thank You Nance. SJMULE Dec 2017 #136

Agree a million percent!!! karin_sj Dec 2017 #138

k and r + several gazillion. niyad Dec 2017 #139

Freepers are now claiming Mueller ignored a culture of sexual harassment at the FBI IronLionZion Dec 2017 #140

Killing our own party Juliusseizure Dec 2017 #141

😭💔🤬😭😭😭😭😭. K,R, sharing. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #142

Weve been glued to nonstop fire news with interludes of political news that makes me... Hekate Dec 2017 #143

Perfect analysis MFM008 Dec 2017 #144

I agree. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #145

No. More. Capitulations. JHB Dec 2017 #146

Well, you win my vote for... Cal Carpenter Dec 2017 #147

Your best "rant" ever! I agree with every word. maddiemom Dec 2017 #148

Perfect! DoctorJoJo Dec 2017 #149

Is there a way to email your post to Shumer and Gillibrand? intheozone Dec 2017 #150

What has taking the high road gotten us? Dopers_Greed Dec 2017 #151

The Dems handed the Republicans a blank check to wage scorched earth policies against Americans eleny Dec 2017 #152

Kudos for great post! ollie10 Dec 2017 #153

COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE! Raster Dec 2017 #154

Ditto! nm AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #156

....................4 simple words..................NOW, TRUMP MUST RESIGN............... Stuart G Dec 2017 #157

I posted this to another post but fits in this discussion randr Dec 2017 #158

Agreed. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #159

Your point is what I feel is the most important thing to take from all of this randr Dec 2017 #161

K&R demmiblue Dec 2017 #160

Your editorials are much more cogent than anything I can write. GoneOffShore Dec 2017 #162

Franken has worked tirelessly for his constituents, for our party, and for our country. orbitalman Dec 2017 #163

Right on Nance!!! DDySiegs Dec 2017 #165

Great post! K&R n/t lordsummerisle Dec 2017 #169

K&R MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #172