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DFW

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23. Agreed: it's complicated
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:56 PM
Dec 2017

However, no one coordinated the accusations against Trump. Indeed, he is on tape bragging about having done exactly what he is accused of, where Franken's main accuser seems to be a manufactured creation of one of Trump's pals.

One can always conveniently recall incidents years or even decades past in a light different from what one thought at the time. However, with Moore and Trump, they seem to be gross offenses where the victim was intimidated into silence by bulling, money or political rank (of course a Prosecutor can scare the wits out of a 14 year old girl, especially in the south, where I'm from). Franken's "accusers" seem to have been mined and refined, coached and urged on. They just don't ring true as women offended, and comedians don't carry the intimidation power that a prosecutor or a billionaire does.

As for Trump, I think his accusations should have been enough to keep people from voting for him, although not to disqualify him. The disqualification should have been in the minds of the American voters already: odious personality, shocking ignorance, and flagrant dishonesty. That they weren't is a testimonial to the power of Fox Noise and the willingness of millions to vote for a garden slug for president as long as it has that magical R in front of it.

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Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #1
And to stand on principle, means denying someone Due Process ? Oh. Righty-o. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #2
Not standing on every principle at once, that's true. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #6
They had decided behind the scenes and among themselves that if another accuser comes Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #17
There are gray areas with many issues. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #3
I agree with this completely. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #4
Who on this forum advocated "abandoning Democratic women in Congress"? Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #5
You misinterpret that aspect of my post. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #8
I didn't misinterpret anything, just repeated what you wrote Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #13
In rereading your reply, I feel even more strongly that you've misrepresented my meaning. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #12
I replied above Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #14
Actually, the bolded part is extremely important to the meaning of my sentence. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #21
No the bolded part is a deflection Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #25
I've seen plenty of posts of folks who want her OUT now. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #18
According to some, you must be imaging that. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #19
There has been A TON...a shocking amount really and if I didn't trash all those threads I'd be glad Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #20
So you can't back it up because you have deleted them Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #26
Doesn't confirm your characterization in the least Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #27
No flame. I have many of your conflicts also. Living in riversedge Dec 2017 #7
I imagine there are many of us with these same conflicts. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #9
Al Franken was lynch mobbed and it is just SHIT and there are ZERO excuses for it! Period! LBM20 Dec 2017 #10
That's quite the exaggeration and insult to those who've actually been lynched. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #16
I will support ALL of them over any Republican. Their positions on the issues are an open page DFW Dec 2017 #11
Glad to hear that you'll support them against Rs. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #15
Agreed: it's complicated DFW Dec 2017 #23
I agree with most of what you say here. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #29
I would not support those who went after Al Franken in a primary, but of course in a general Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #32
Well done, no flames from me. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #22
Thanks, sheshe. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #28
Very thoughtful OP. Blue_true Dec 2017 #24
I've seen a lot of that, too. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #30
Maybe Leanne Tweeden was 'acting a version of herself on stage' dansolo Dec 2017 #31
Both of those can be true. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #33
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