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42. You may really regret this if we have primary wars here

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:00 PM

Jul 2013

I can easily see a scenario where one candidate has 2/3 support and another has say 1/3. That 1/3 group already will have a terrible time getting a fair jury but if the juries then get more skewed by this system you could have a real mess. I try to imagine if back in the Dean vs everyone else days, I think Dean supporters would have been obliterated by this type of system. I also think the same thing would have happened in the aftermath of prop 8 to gays. As it was we had the purge, under a jury system that would literally get more and more skewed with no brake, a minority could literally find itself unable to post anything at all without getting posts removed.

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We have changed the way your "Jury Score" is calculated [View all] Skinner Jul 2013 OP

Well it is incentive to behave then. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1

Only civil people will be able to be on a jury; that will not be a fair representation of DU corkhead Jul 2013 #4

On second thought you have a good point. There are good members who had a few bad moments. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #8

Kind of like in real life. William769 Jul 2013 #90

Yes, it is. Skinner Jul 2013 #5

Does this mean that people with 100% or even 80% will serve on more juries? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #9

Yes. Skinner Jul 2013 #11

I am sorry but one more question. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #23

You are not going to serve more than that. Skinner Jul 2013 #24

Thanks because that would not be fair to other posters. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #25

Seems like an equitable adjustment to me. bluedigger Jul 2013 #26

Thanks for the explanation and for adjusting the scoring process iemitsu Jul 2013 #2

So I guess JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #3

You can hide a disruption. Skinner Jul 2013 #6

Thanks! JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #7

The penalty for hidden replies... This can't have been an easy decision. I hope it works. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #10

I don't think that is true. Skinner Jul 2013 #13

Of course it's not the alerts that are utterly without merit. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #15

What rules? Skinner Jul 2013 #16

It's not even a large percentage. Take Greenwald or Snowden as examples. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #18

yes, DU shuts out unpopular thought. Legitimate, rational, unpopular thought. RILib Jul 2013 #39

Yes. My first and only hidden post was based on such a reason. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #52

I've had several blocked, and I was guilty BlueStreak Jul 2013 #64

the beauty of the jury Kali Jul 2013 #100

"The beauty of the jury" - Censorship is never beautiful panzerfaust Jul 2013 #114

it's a private website Kali Jul 2013 #115

But assholes are often dispensed with. cyberswede Jul 2013 #103

Well said! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #104

This is going to increase the lock step and quash legitimate criticism. L0oniX Jul 2013 #48

I agree with NYC-SKP. BlueStreak Jul 2013 #59

Agree completely - explantions are needed dbackjon Jul 2013 #113

I'm not sure that's true. I take many positions that are MineralMan Jul 2013 #111

Personality conflicts are one thing, taking an unpopular position is quite another. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #112

Agreed, why I don't play rigged games nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #124

I've come to a similar conclusion, Nadin, and make the same assumption. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #125

I expect things to get worse as elections approach. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #126

Disagree completely dbackjon Jul 2013 #21

Unfortunately, the number of posts a person has is an inappropriate metric Android3.14 Jul 2013 #53

There are no such posting guidelines identifying a personal attack. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #66

yes there are. and here is the link Android3.14 Jul 2013 #91

Those are the rules for DU2. This is DU3. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #92

Thanks, but even the About page has this Android3.14 Jul 2013 #96

I'm not suggesting I agree with it - Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #98

Thanks Ms. Toad Android3.14 Jul 2013 #99

Although I disagree with what Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #61

Improvement suggestion krispos42 Jul 2013 #12

If you think a juror is doing the job in bad faith, you should alert on the notification. Skinner Jul 2013 #14

What he is saying is that there are jurors that DO act in bad faith dbackjon Jul 2013 #22

This happens a lot ...which makes the jury system a farse. L0oniX Jul 2013 #45

I've Seen Sites Use Like/Dislike Functions DallasNE Jul 2013 #49

The problem with like/dislike... Skinner Jul 2013 #84

If your game theory is very simple that makes sense.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #86

Well, food for thought, if nothing else. krispos42 Jul 2013 #95

I agree with that. Blanks Jul 2013 #107

Sounds good, Skinner. The only suggestion I have for the system intheflow Jul 2013 #17

I didn't know that. riqster Jul 2013 #27

I've seen that. One note - if TOS is checked all hides go to MIRT. 4-2, 5-1 or 6-0. pinto Jul 2013 #32

Good to know all TOS alerts with hides go to MIRT. intheflow Jul 2013 #105

Chance of serving on a Jury: 100% mike_c Jul 2013 #19

20 points per hidden post is far too much dbackjon Jul 2013 #20

That would be in the Obama Forum. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #34

The solution to that JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #63

I like when I was told to DIE railsback Jul 2013 #28

Hell,....I've had people on line wanting to track me down and kill me for decades... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #36

Exactly liberal N proud Jul 2013 #50

Then we need an appeals system. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #29

Its already done. bunnies Jul 2013 #31

I know, me too. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #33

Agreed. bunnies Jul 2013 #35

I dont think that's true. Iggo Jul 2013 #44

I agree ...there's no point in donating anymore. L0oniX Jul 2013 #46

Sure there is. Donate to keep Du running. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #47

I don't donate anymore. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #85

You would feel a lot better if you would actually took the time to read the rules. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #69

You would be surprised as to how many here were born during the Clinton years. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #38

Or act like they were. RC Jul 2013 #51

I just started a poll on it. So far,...zip... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #54

There's one as of right now. Iggo Jul 2013 #57

Spooky,...ain't it. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #101

Yeah, weird. Iggo Jul 2013 #106

Once people hit 5 posts they are not eligible for jury duty Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #67

per post?! bunnies Jul 2013 #70

Exactly, that's the whole problem treestar Sep 2013 #122

(that person you replied to is no longer here) cyberswede Sep 2013 #123

The penalty % should increase with the amount of hidden posts, imho. bunnies Jul 2013 #30

(Edited, since I see you saw my earlier post) Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #71

I get that now. bunnies Jul 2013 #74

I saw a discussion yesterday - Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #77

See. I didnt know that either. bunnies Jul 2013 #81

It's just 5 posts x 20% = 100% of your chance of being on a jury obliterated. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #83

One post hidden is -20. Ten posts hidden is -200. Skinner Jul 2013 #72

Yes. Ive been schooled. :) bunnies Jul 2013 #73

I just re-read my OP and realized it was unclear. Skinner Jul 2013 #75

Great idea. Pale Blue Dot Jul 2013 #37

I am at 60% but I have not served in a while iandhr Jul 2013 #40

you should also change the order of steps in the jury -> msongs Jul 2013 #41

Excellent idea. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #56

The point is for jurors to form their own opinion before they are biased by the alerter comment. Skinner Jul 2013 #60

It might actually help with the posts about which I am most concerned Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #79

You may really regret this if we have primary wars here dsc Jul 2013 #42

There will never be another "purge" on DU. Skinner Jul 2013 #65

but in total we were well under half dsc Jul 2013 #78

I agree with dsc on all points and hold my tongue because if I said more you'd be very upset. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #80

Just checked, I'm still at 100% MrScorpio Jul 2013 #43

Golly gee whiz, I'm looking at 43%. Haven't done anything wrong, just haven't done enough firenewt Jul 2013 #55

oh sure Kali Jul 2013 #58

why don't you allow for one hidden post per 90 days Mosby Jul 2013 #62

Frankly I don't pay a lot of attention to the Jury system zeemike Jul 2013 #68

I served quite a bit more when I first started... Blanks Jul 2013 #110

Serve that majority, man. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #76

The Gungeon isn't going to like this ThoughtCriminal Jul 2013 #82

A couple of thoughts. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #87

Is there any possibility of activating the Alert Transparency Function? bvar22 Jul 2013 #88

Juries arent enforcing TOS. Skinner Jul 2013 #89

I suspect the number of alerts is way down Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #94

I suspect you are correct nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #127

I hear you DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #128

exactly DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #129

I appreciate that you are working to improve DU. However, I think -20 is too severe. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #93

I guess this works if you feel compelled to be on juries. I long ago turned off the ability to serve KG Jul 2013 #97

What an excellent move when the Right Wing Trolls already control the site! rdharma Jul 2013 #102

Have you considered increasing the posting restriction time frame? Ptah Jul 2013 #108

Yay! I've been serving on a lot of juries. lately.. Cha Jul 2013 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #116

Skinner, FYI davidpdx Jul 2013 #117

We'll fix that. Skinner Jul 2013 #120

Skinner, has anyone made a point in this thread, that has given you any cause to re think this? boston bean Jul 2013 #118

No. Skinner Jul 2013 #119

You have achieved the opposite dbackjon Aug 2013 #121

Someone got a post hidden for saying Fuck Ron Paul. Whisp Oct 2013 #130