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sarisataka

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7. Catch-22

Mon Sep 16, 2024, 01:44 PM

Sep 16

Put women on current submarines and get criticized for not accommodating to let the women have some privacy for changing, showering or going to the bathroom.
Put in accommodations, "it's only needed because all men are rapists"

I suppose they could send out a submarine with an all-female crew. What would the objection be then?

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WOW! Traildogbob Sep 16 #1

I don't think I want to know... Think. Again. Sep 16 #2

Separate berths and bathing facilities would be my guess stumpysbear Sep 16 #3

Oh, that's right, adult heterosexuals can't control themselves I forgot. Think. Again. Sep 16 #4

Well, to be fair, the military doesn't have an awesome track record.... stumpysbear Sep 16 #5

That sounds more like a hiring problem than a vessel design problem. Think. Again. Sep 16 #14

You have to remember, that on nearly every naval vessel, yagotme Sep 16 #17

Rape is now "hijinks"? Man, the world has changed. Think. Again. Sep 16 #18

Rape isn't the only concern. A rarer occurrence than other things. yagotme Sep 16 #20

Yep, definitely a hiring problem. Think. Again. Sep 16 #23

You can teach someone the methodology of discipline, yagotme Sep 16 #26

Yep, definitely sounds like they need to be... Think. Again. Sep 16 #28

Going to be hard to "weed out" someone that may make an inappropriate comment yagotme Sep 16 #30

It just seems to me... Think. Again. Sep 16 #31

We have a volunteer force. yagotme Sep 16 #32

We have the largest military in the world... Think. Again. Sep 16 #34

Each active unit on record has a certain amount of slots to be filled. yagotme Sep 16 #37

Sorry, ain't buying it... Think. Again. Sep 16 #40

If you were in charge what would the military look like and how would you handle things? XorXor Sep 16 #96

I would have military experts who are honest enough to focus only on... Think. Again. Sep 16 #97

What does that look like, though? XorXor Sep 16 #100

Nope, I have nothing specific for you, I'm just an internet rando with absolutely no interest in military administration Think. Again. Sep 16 #103

Not rape between consenting adults pfitz59 Sep 16 #70

If it's between consenting adults, why is there a concern? Think. Again. Sep 16 #73

Because enlisted cannot fraternize with officers jimfields33 Sep 16 #79

So tell them not to. Think. Again. Sep 16 #80

They do. And if they don't listen, they are punished. jimfields33 Sep 16 #84

Good, so everything's cool. No need for any more expensive re-designed subs. Think. Again. Sep 16 #88

Yep. jimfields33 Sep 16 #89

I didn't even know bosses were a part of this... Think. Again. Sep 16 #91

Catch-22 sarisataka Sep 16 #7

We really need to get past the junior high school mentality. Think. Again. Sep 16 #9

Those 2 are still up there IronLionZion Sep 16 #22

Jokes? But they're consenting adults, aren't they? Think. Again. Sep 16 #24

No judgement from me IronLionZion Sep 16 #39

USS Wyoming had an all female submarine crew 2 years ago IronLionZion Sep 16 #25

The Ohio Class boats also have modifications for women on subs. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #85

Well, males and females who have been away from their g/f's and b/f's for months sharing showers... Polybius Sep 16 #63

Usually consenting adults enjoying each other's company when they choose to is a great idea. Think. Again. Sep 16 #65

I'm all for public showers being co-ed, I'm just not sure it would work Polybius Sep 16 #66

Have you considered therapy? Think. Again. Sep 16 #67

No Polybius Sep 16 #68

Okay, I understand if you need a few moments alone. Think. Again. Sep 16 #69

Not in a joking mood today I see Polybius Sep 16 #71

I thought that WAS funny! Think. Again. Sep 16 #74

Oh Polybius Sep 16 #82

female hygiene products in the bathrooms! sboatcar Sep 16 #27

SHOCKING! Think. Again. Sep 16 #29

They do have to see them. Both bathrooms must have tampons. jimfields33 Sep 16 #83

Goodness, talk about diversion. Think. Again. Sep 16 #87

Just has a few extra heads and dedicated berthing spaces. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #76

Well, they'll all be in very close quarters for long stretches... Think. Again. Sep 16 #78

It'll be fine. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #81

I'm sure it would have been fine before the re-design, too Think. Again. Sep 16 #86

Enough berthing and head space that males and females can have privacy jmowreader Sep 19 #113

Oh, I'm glad everyone is getting individual en-suite rooms... Think. Again. Sep 19 #114

It's not like that jmowreader Sep 19 #115

Accommodation changes quaint Sep 16 #6

Did people really have to share bunks and could only shower together in the old designs? Think. Again. Sep 16 #10

The only submarine voyage I've been on was the original E-ticket at Disneyland. quaint Sep 16 #11

Subs are limited in interior space. yagotme Sep 16 #12

Oh, okay, so no one ever had to share a bunk in the old designs... Think. Again. Sep 16 #13

No prob. yagotme Sep 16 #15

Why would anyone need their own bunks if they're not sharing them anyway? Think. Again. Sep 16 #16

I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, but I'll give it a stab. yagotme Sep 16 #19

That's why I don't understand why the new vessel has to have... Think. Again. Sep 16 #35

What I think they mean by "separate" is female/male. yagotme Sep 16 #38

Yeah, I think what's confusing me... Think. Again. Sep 16 #41

They can, but then we go back around to the hijinks thing again... nt yagotme Sep 16 #44

Ah, yes, hiring people who are not yet ready for the job. Think. Again. Sep 16 #46

No that would be concern for many regardless of age XorXor Sep 16 #98

Bullshit, we're talking about adults. Think. Again. Sep 16 #101

Can you clarify specifically what you disagree with and why? XorXor Sep 17 #106

I disagree to the post I replied to because I don't believe it's true. Think. Again. Sep 17 #107

It looks as if you replied to my post when you said "BS", was that your intention? XorXor Sep 17 #109

The reason I reply "B.S." is because I don't believe, or agree with, the statement I replied "B.S." to. Think. Again. Sep 17 #110

That was clear from the start, but I'm actually trying to understand your perspective in more detail XorXor Sep 18 #111

During times of peace, what work is there to do on a sub? Polybius Sep 16 #64

OMG! We train and exercise the ship as if we are at war maxrandb Sep 18 #112

"We will stand off their coast and run missile drills." yagotme Sep 20 #117

'Hot racking' is/was real on older model subs. pfitz59 Sep 16 #72

So why the expensive re-design then? Think. Again. Sep 16 #77

Because those bunks are all in one room. Angleae Sep 16 #94

Ah, yes, individual rooms will be nice! Think. Again. Sep 16 #95

Aint happening on a sub, no space. Angleae Sep 16 #99

So now we're back to "why bother, then?" Think. Again. Sep 16 #102

It makes sense. If the Boy Socuts could do it, one would hope the Navy could figure it out. nt Gore1FL Sep 16 #92

Mustn't...mention... Gruenemann Sep 16 #8

I remember the first coed missile silos... Prairie Gates Sep 16 #21

Social progress often trails tech progress Torchlight Sep 16 #33

Yep, soon every crew member will have their own submarine to themself.... Think. Again. Sep 16 #36

2-person Japanese sub: yagotme Sep 16 #42

THOSE TWO PEOPLE BETTER BE MARRIED!!! Think. Again. Sep 16 #43

Japanese culture, early 1940's, I highly doubt it. yagotme Sep 16 #45

Oh, wow, what a sexually liberated society that was! Think. Again. Sep 16 #47

You forgot your sarcasm thingy. Some here might take what you said as reality. yagotme Sep 16 #49

So then why does the new sub only separate males from females? Think. Again. Sep 16 #51

"Don't ask, don't tell." yagotme Sep 16 #52

Yes, so the military IS okay with same-sex relations as long as no one brags about it. Think. Again. Sep 16 #53

Maybe then, females shouldn't be on board... yagotme Sep 16 #54

How is any of that different from anyone not wanting to... Think. Again. Sep 16 #55

Showering in front of someone the same sex is usually started in Jr High, at least High School. yagotme Sep 16 #56

Ah, I see, it's the school system's fault for not implementing co-ed showers for children.... Think. Again. Sep 16 #57

Well, if you insist upon putting words in my mouth, then I'm done. yagotme Sep 16 #58

Thanks, you too! Think. Again. Sep 16 #60

It does not follow Torchlight Sep 16 #48

I served 28.5 years in the Navy, and was there when we started allowing women to serve on combatant ships maxrandb Sep 16 #50

Too bad some can't grasp this concept: yagotme Sep 16 #59

You mean adults do that? Shocking! Think. Again. Sep 16 #61

Thank you, finally some mature common sense! Think. Again. Sep 16 #62

There's a long running joke in the 'bubblehead' (submariner) community pfitz59 Sep 16 #75

What about the Sea Tiger!?!?!?! Gore1FL Sep 16 #90

I attended an Army training course one time for both male and female soldiers. Aristus Sep 16 #93

That's difficult for submariners Bavorskoami Sep 16 #104

True. Aristus Sep 16 #105

Next step will be ADA-compliant submarines. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 17 #108

I've been snarky in my posts on this... Think. Again. Sep 19 #116

Perhaps snark was the wrong vehicle to convey your concerns. yagotme Sep 20 #118

I see, thanks for that. Think. Again. Sep 20 #119