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cab67

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58. To me, at least...
Sat Sep 21, 2024, 10:37 AM
Sep 21

Last edited Sat Sep 21, 2024, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

...whether the majority of Israelis want a two-state solution is irrelevant.

We can maintain the status quo, with millions of Palestinian Arabs living under occupation and denied full participation as Israeli citizens. (Or Israel can formally annex Gaza and the West Bank, which would shift the demographics of Israel to the point that it would hard for the country to declare itself both a democracy and a Jewish state. This assumes that Israel is unwilling to expel large numbers of civilians from those territories; I suspect the majority of Israeli people would oppose this, but I can't say that about the present Israeli government.)

Or a two-state solution can be found.

In no way do I think this is an easy thing to do. I fully understand the culpability of Hamas in the present situation, that there are groups in the region that want Israel itself destroyed, and that a large proportion of the Israeli population within the UN-recognized borders is uninterested in a two-state solution. But a two-state solution should still be the ultimate goal from the standpoint of human rights.

They keep killing these "key" terrorist leaders, displacedvermoter Sep 20 #1
This one was behind the US embassy bombing and the Marine Corps bombing in 1983. former9thward Sep 20 #2
Just saying they kill these folks pretty regularly displacedvermoter Sep 20 #3
Israel doesn't kill Hezbollah leaders "pretty regularly" maxsolomon Sep 20 #5
Who blew up the pagers? displacedvermoter Sep 20 #6
The pager/walkie talkie attacks were not "regular" occurences. maxsolomon Sep 20 #10
Not only was it unprecedented... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #19
It was reported on August 29 that Israel killed displacedvermoter Sep 20 #7
Well of course what do you expect? EX500rider Sep 20 #8
Ok, I guess that is one way to look at it. displacedvermoter Sep 20 #9
Hezbollah definitely started this one firing thousands missiles across the border EX500rider Sep 20 #11
It is an ongoing spiral of violence displacedvermoter Sep 20 #12
Hezbollah leaves Israel alone, they leave them alone EX500rider Sep 20 #13
You're right BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #20
On that note, maybe Ukraine should just surrender too. Fighting back against Russia just breeds more violence... Lancero Sep 20 #24
Not really the same thing, many historical snd displacedvermoter Sep 20 #52
Funny BrianTheEVGuy Sep 21 #57
There are always more to take their place iemanja Sep 20 #16
So? former9thward Sep 20 #22
There is not a finite supply of terrorists iemanja Sep 20 #23
What is the alternative? former9thward Sep 20 #25
A negotiated ceasefire and a two-state solution iemanja Sep 20 #26
No one in the region supports that. former9thward Sep 20 #27
show me polling data to support your claim iemanja Sep 20 #28
Most people do not support a two state solution. former9thward Sep 20 #30
I found a poll for you iemanja Sep 20 #31
And I won the argument. former9thward Sep 20 #33
You said no one iemanja Sep 20 #35
I have been to Israel many times. former9thward Sep 20 #37
And somehow the fact that 34% of the population of Israel supports a two-state solution iemanja Sep 20 #40
Since you know so much how many times have you been to the region? former9thward Sep 20 #44
None, I googled a poll iemanja Sep 20 #47
Since you are tonight's grammar police I used a typical rhetorical device. former9thward Sep 20 #49
Does anyone actually say "no one supports Trump"? iemanja Sep 20 #51
" the fact that 34% of the population" Also known as a minority EX500rider Sep 20 #54
I'll save you the trouble iemanja Sep 20 #29
By my math that means it is a political non-starter. former9thward Sep 20 #32
Clearly that is what you want iemanja Sep 20 #34
Harris and the Democratic party are not in charge in Israel or Gaza. former9thward Sep 20 #36
You haven't paid attention iemanja Sep 20 #38
Every president and I do mean every president since 1948 has said a two state solution. former9thward Sep 20 #43
I don't object to that iemanja Sep 20 #45
They created the problem, they can have it back. former9thward Sep 20 #46
To me, at least... cab67 Sep 21 #58
Hezbollah has nothing to do with a two state solution. They're a Lebanese proxy for Iran. LeftInTX Sep 20 #39
Well, they claim they are fighting in response to Gaza iemanja Sep 20 #41
They say, but it's not their motive. They want to destroy their neighbor because..... LeftInTX Sep 20 #48
Okay iemanja Sep 20 #50
Yes, it does. LeftInTX Sep 20 #53
"Well, they claim they are fighting in response to Gaza" EX500rider Sep 28 #67
But there IS a finite supply of competent leaders; even if they're terrorists. oldsoftie Sep 21 #55
Well, try not to get too exited over this positive news. 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Sep 21 #59
See post #14 emulatorloo Sep 21 #64
they keep saying.... Tetrachloride Sep 20 #4
Good, this is the asshole who planned and executed the Marine barracks bombing in '83 MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #14
My cousin was stationed in Beirut. He was deployed wnylib Sep 20 #15
I was stationed in Germany at the time. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #18
Rest in pieces, Ibrahim. NT BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #17
.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #21
Good one! LeftInTX Sep 20 #42
Good Tarc Sep 21 #56
That was 40 years ago onandup Sep 21 #60
The principle reason was that he was the Hezbollah military commander. former9thward Sep 21 #61
The principle reason is to save Trump, er, Bibi from prosecution onandup Sep 21 #62
Hezbollah started the war. former9thward Sep 21 #63
Or possibly Israel would like 60,000 Israeli refugees to be able to return to their homes.. EX500rider Sep 22 #65
Absolutely wrong, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 22 #66
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