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Beastly Boy

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11. The UN is the defendant in this case. The hostage families are the plaintiffs.
Sun Sep 22, 2024, 09:50 AM
Sep 22

It is not within the scope of ICC to address this case:

The jurisdiction of the Court shall be limited to the most serious crimes of concern to
the international community as a whole. The Court has jurisdiction in accordance with
this Statute with respect to the following crimes:
(a) The crime of genocide;
(b) Crimes against humanity;
(c) War crimes;
(d) The crime of aggression

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/2024-05/Rome-Statute-eng.pdf

Therefore, it is not complicity in war crimes that the hostage families are claiming (they have no standing to petition ICC in the first place), they are claiming damages resulting from this complicity. Since the UN headquarters are located in the US, the US federal courts have jurisdiction over charges against the UN.

Regardless of matters of jurisprudence, extending immunity to war criminals while ignoring the hostages is shameless and despicable on ethical grounds, and it brings into question the commitment of the UN to its stated mission.

It is the continued employment of war criminals past the factual establishment of their crimes that makes UNRWA complicit. While the UN, by extending immunity to a handful of war criminals, acknowledged the UNRWA complicity in a handful of cases that are subject to legal claims by the hostage families, it is still denying their complicity in hundreds of other documented cases of employing war criminals of equal statute. Still, this is sufficient. The UN immunity excepts them from the rule of law, not the facts in evidence, regardless of the nature of their complicity, whether premeditated or opportunistic, beyond any doubt. By granting immunity to the perpetrators, the UN forfeited their opportunity to dispute it.

This is despicable all in itself, regardless of any other assumed attempts to shield anyone else from justice.
Shameless and despicable. MyMission Sep 22 #1
There will be rallies in support of the criminals in Teheran and Columbia University. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #2
Yup nycbos Sep 22 #4
My favorite part... jvill Sep 22 #8
Useful idiots JoseBalow Sep 22 #13
Given the opportunity, The United Nations will always do the wrong thing. madaboutharry Sep 22 #3
Like when the UN supported the creation of Israel? jvill Sep 22 #9
That was a one off. madaboutharry Sep 22 #12
They just got started back then. They didn't learn yet how to do things wrong. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #14
77 years ago MichMan Sep 22 #16
Something about this report from the JP is confusing. moniss Sep 22 #5
The UN is the defendant in this case. The hostage families are the plaintiffs. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #11
It was reported that the individuals moniss Sep 22 #39
UNRWA is being sued for the damages the terrorists did wheb they vwere employed Beastly Boy Sep 22 #44
Nobody disputes that the document was filed moniss Sep 22 #48
The validity or legality of the instrument of immunity afforded to the UN is not in dispute here. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #51
You do realize that the people in question could sue the UN for moniss Sep 23 #53
The immunity clause in the UN founding charter is absolute, and so is the UN discretion in using it. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #54
You can sue for anything. It doesn't mean you will win moniss Sep 23 #57
Once again, any lawsuit against the UN has a predetermined outcome. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #59
I have addressed the issue and I have moniss Sep 23 #60
This is outrageous! mcar Sep 22 #6
Disgusting. The UN was created to prevent wars, not protect and enable terrorists. SunSeeker Sep 22 #7
That does not sound right RainCaster Sep 22 #10
What a switch sarisataka Sep 22 #15
UNRWA was hijacked by Palestinians long ago. It is a wing of Hamas. elias7 Sep 22 #17
Uh, no. Eko Sep 22 #18
If the organization is providing cover for terrorists.... Mysterian Sep 22 #19
How are they providing cover for terrorists? Eko Sep 22 #20
Allowing terrorists to operate undercover as "UNRWA workers" Mysterian Sep 22 #21
Uh, they fired them. Eko Sep 22 #22
You're extremely naive if you believe those are the only ones Mysterian Sep 22 #23
So if they fired them how are they providing cover for them? Eko Sep 22 #24
The ones they didn't fire still working in the org Mysterian Sep 22 #25
This is what you think Eko Sep 22 #26
And you think UNRWA has completely cleansed itself of Hamas operatives Mysterian Sep 23 #49
See post 55 Eko Sep 23 #56
You have yet to show that it is providing cover for terrorists. Eko Sep 22 #29
Known fact: There were Hamas operatives operating under cover as UNRWA workers Mysterian Sep 23 #50
That is what Israel claimed orally to UNRWA that there were Hamas operatives working at UNRWA. Eko Sep 23 #55
Ahhhhh, they just fired them for no reason Mysterian Sep 23 #58
I never claimed that Eko Sep 23 #61
UNRWA has been completely infiltrated by top Hamas operatives Mysterian Sep 30 #62
From your article. Eko Sep 30 #63
Uh, yes Beastly Boy Sep 22 #28
Look up the definition of an Organization. Eko Sep 22 #30
Another wild goose chase? No thanks. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #31
Do you not understand that if an organization has immunity Eko Sep 22 #32
The UN, and the US Department of Justice disagree with you. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #33
No they dont. Eko Sep 22 #34
Yes they do. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #35
To show you another example of immunity. Eko Sep 22 #37
And why would you think UNRWA employees are not their representatives Beastly Boy Sep 22 #42
We have gone over this. Eko Sep 22 #43
Tell that to the UN. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #46
To the fired people? Eko Sep 22 #47
And my post was in response to this from you. Eko Sep 22 #38
What do the UN and DOJ disagree with you on? Beastly Boy Sep 22 #41
Where did I say that the UN and the DOJ disagree with me? Eko Sep 22 #45
Interesting thing about the Jerusalem Post. Eko Sep 22 #27
Not surprising. EllieBC Sep 22 #36
The UNRWA employees complicit in Oct. 7 massacre were fired. Eko Sep 22 #40
Nope. Happy Hoosier Sep 23 #52
One less immunity needed sarisataka Sep 30 #64
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