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moniss

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48. Nobody disputes that the document was filed
Sun Sep 22, 2024, 07:55 PM
Sep 22

or that they are using an immunity exemption as their legal reasoning. This seems to me to be less about the facts of the actual events at this point than it is about a legal principle of immunity for UN employees. Lawyers and their actions can be understood in the context of having a reprehensible appearance and outcome but their job is to use the law regarding their client. In these immunity matters the UN has that immunity so that people will come to work for the various agencies in contentious areas and situations. It would be very difficult to convince people to work in an area for example that would try to give aid to civilians/monitor activity in countries in Africa that are in conflict with each other if those doing so were subject to constant accusations and lawsuits. Not only would the agencies have a difficult time recruiting personnel but those they could recruit would be subject to tremendous costs in money, time and reputation if they didn't have immunity.

Let's be clear that having a suit go forward against UNRWA for having employed, apparently unknowingly, people who would and did take part in a horrible attack may be pleasing at first glance. But also be sure that the same sword of legal recourse can swing against any and all charities and groups who have supplied money, support and recruited people to be settlers in the West Bank and then had some of them be ones who are committing crimes against people there. Should we now jam the US Federal Courts with decades worth of thousands of cases? On a strictly legal principle basis the basis is the same. Recruitment, employment and funding of people by an organization, or by individuals, that results in one or more of those recruited, funded or employed committing an act that causes harm then those organizations/individuals who recruited, employed and funded those who caused the harm are to be held liable.

Shameless and despicable. MyMission Sep 22 #1
There will be rallies in support of the criminals in Teheran and Columbia University. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #2
Yup nycbos Sep 22 #4
My favorite part... jvill Sep 22 #8
Useful idiots JoseBalow Sep 22 #13
Given the opportunity, The United Nations will always do the wrong thing. madaboutharry Sep 22 #3
Like when the UN supported the creation of Israel? jvill Sep 22 #9
That was a one off. madaboutharry Sep 22 #12
They just got started back then. They didn't learn yet how to do things wrong. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #14
77 years ago MichMan Sep 22 #16
Something about this report from the JP is confusing. moniss Sep 22 #5
The UN is the defendant in this case. The hostage families are the plaintiffs. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #11
It was reported that the individuals moniss Sep 22 #39
UNRWA is being sued for the damages the terrorists did wheb they vwere employed Beastly Boy Sep 22 #44
Nobody disputes that the document was filed moniss Sep 22 #48
The validity or legality of the instrument of immunity afforded to the UN is not in dispute here. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #51
You do realize that the people in question could sue the UN for moniss Sep 23 #53
The immunity clause in the UN founding charter is absolute, and so is the UN discretion in using it. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #54
You can sue for anything. It doesn't mean you will win moniss Sep 23 #57
Once again, any lawsuit against the UN has a predetermined outcome. Beastly Boy Sep 23 #59
I have addressed the issue and I have moniss Sep 23 #60
This is outrageous! mcar Sep 22 #6
Disgusting. The UN was created to prevent wars, not protect and enable terrorists. SunSeeker Sep 22 #7
That does not sound right RainCaster Sep 22 #10
What a switch sarisataka Sep 22 #15
UNRWA was hijacked by Palestinians long ago. It is a wing of Hamas. elias7 Sep 22 #17
Uh, no. Eko Sep 22 #18
If the organization is providing cover for terrorists.... Mysterian Sep 22 #19
How are they providing cover for terrorists? Eko Sep 22 #20
Allowing terrorists to operate undercover as "UNRWA workers" Mysterian Sep 22 #21
Uh, they fired them. Eko Sep 22 #22
You're extremely naive if you believe those are the only ones Mysterian Sep 22 #23
So if they fired them how are they providing cover for them? Eko Sep 22 #24
The ones they didn't fire still working in the org Mysterian Sep 22 #25
This is what you think Eko Sep 22 #26
And you think UNRWA has completely cleansed itself of Hamas operatives Mysterian Sep 23 #49
See post 55 Eko Sep 23 #56
You have yet to show that it is providing cover for terrorists. Eko Sep 22 #29
Known fact: There were Hamas operatives operating under cover as UNRWA workers Mysterian Sep 23 #50
That is what Israel claimed orally to UNRWA that there were Hamas operatives working at UNRWA. Eko Sep 23 #55
Ahhhhh, they just fired them for no reason Mysterian Sep 23 #58
I never claimed that Eko Sep 23 #61
UNRWA has been completely infiltrated by top Hamas operatives Mysterian Sep 30 #62
From your article. Eko Sep 30 #63
Uh, yes Beastly Boy Sep 22 #28
Look up the definition of an Organization. Eko Sep 22 #30
Another wild goose chase? No thanks. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #31
Do you not understand that if an organization has immunity Eko Sep 22 #32
The UN, and the US Department of Justice disagree with you. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #33
No they dont. Eko Sep 22 #34
Yes they do. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #35
To show you another example of immunity. Eko Sep 22 #37
And why would you think UNRWA employees are not their representatives Beastly Boy Sep 22 #42
We have gone over this. Eko Sep 22 #43
Tell that to the UN. Beastly Boy Sep 22 #46
To the fired people? Eko Sep 22 #47
And my post was in response to this from you. Eko Sep 22 #38
What do the UN and DOJ disagree with you on? Beastly Boy Sep 22 #41
Where did I say that the UN and the DOJ disagree with me? Eko Sep 22 #45
Interesting thing about the Jerusalem Post. Eko Sep 22 #27
Not surprising. EllieBC Sep 22 #36
The UNRWA employees complicit in Oct. 7 massacre were fired. Eko Sep 22 #40
Nope. Happy Hoosier Sep 23 #52
One less immunity needed sarisataka Sep 30 #64
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