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161. I won't say it was my favorite, but I remember mayonnaise sandwiches.

Sat Aug 24, 2024, 01:52 PM

Aug 24

We would slather mayonnaise between two slices of white bread and then chow down. Seems kind of gross now, but that's what I remember, and I remember enjoying them. That might be an indication of how poor we were when I was a kid. We were never homeless and we never went hungry, but we wore sometimes threadbare hand-me-downs and we lived on simple fare like mayonnaise sandwiches. And I never had any money.

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What was your favorite sandwich as a kid . Bologna , P & J, Grilled Cheese, egg salad or other? [View all] debm55 Aug 23 OP

Interesting you mention egg salad. no_hypocrisy Aug 23 #1

Thank you no_hypocrisy. Deviled Egg Salad sandwich sounds great. debm55 Aug 23 #3

Ooooo, intriguing! At a particular aunt's house for extended family get togthers I was in chrge of either making the... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #243

PB and banana displacedvermoter Aug 23 #2

Thank you displacedvermoter. I didn't know they were Elvis killers. As a kid I had PB and banana. but not with bacon. debm55 Aug 23 #5

His black housekeeper used to fry them up for displacedvermoter Aug 23 #9

Oh my 3 or 4. gee. Thank you. debm55 Aug 23 #34

Don't think they were good for him! displacedvermoter Aug 23 #39

I agree, thank you displacedvermoter. debm55 Aug 23 #87

That was his last meal wasn't it? dai13sy Aug 23 #75

Couldn't say, I know he loved them, displacedvermoter Aug 23 #77

I've always loved PB and banana but have never thought of frying them. TomSlick Aug 24 #215

Don't forget the bacon! displacedvermoter Aug 24 #216

Sure. Why not? TomSlick Aug 24 #217

Enjoy!!! 😊 displacedvermoter Aug 24 #223

Peanut butter & pickles RoadRunner Aug 23 #4

RoadRunner, that sounds different. What kind of pickle? TY debm55 Aug 23 #8

Dill, slices RoadRunner Aug 23 #11

my mother liked pb & pickles. I never tried it nt yellowdogintexas Aug 23 #20

I think I would like to try it with bread and butter pickes. I'll give it a try. Ty RoadRunner. debm55 Aug 23 #35

Pro tip RoadRunner Aug 23 #57

That makes sense. I was wondering how the bread didn't get soggy. Thanks RoadRunner debm55 Aug 23 #85

Thank you RoadRunner. debm55 Aug 23 #88

Open face peanut butter and fresh fruit on top... MiHale Aug 23 #6

Thank you MiHale. that sounds good.Fresh strawberries for me. debm55 Aug 23 #38

I ate a lot of tomato sandwiches. Haggard Celine Aug 23 #7

My Grilled Cheese "Special" Sandwich! Nom,Nom! Babywhale Aug 23 #12

All of these should be wonderful! Haggard Celine Aug 23 #15

Thank you Babywhale. They both sound great. PS Welcome to DU debm55 Aug 23 #86

Usually made grilled cheese (cheddar, or swiss) w white, or pumpernickle (yum!) bread... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #245

I had the same. Sometimes I would put a slice of onion on it. Thank you Haggard Celine. debm55 Aug 23 #40

Onions are great unless they're not raw. Haggard Celine Aug 23 #48

I ate them raw on my sandwich. debm55 Aug 23 #55

I wish I could. Haggard Celine Aug 23 #62

Thank you, Haggard Celine. debm55 Aug 23 #90

Jarlsberg cheese I_UndergroundPanther Aug 23 #114

Thank you I_UndergroundPanther. Fresh tomatoes are the best. debm55 Aug 24 #147

Love Figarosmom Aug 24 #120

Never had that but if I did now I'd make sure I'd go to our Green market to get heirloom tomatoes... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #244

PB &J on white bread, especially because Mom prepared it for me when I went to day camp Jrose Aug 23 #10

Thank you Jrose. That is funny. debm55 Aug 23 #41

A PB sandwich was a sometimes treat as a kid but bc I was a picky eater I wouldn't add the jam till later on. electric_blue68 Aug 26 #247

Most still are favorites but not exactly the same. I get a little fancier with tuna and chicken. My PBJ is the brewens Aug 23 #13

Thank you brewens. That pancake sandwich sounds good. debm55 Aug 23 #42

Just a pancake with peanut butter and homemade jam. n/t brewens Aug 23 #44

Grilled cheese all the way. Grilled tuna fish sandwiches were a close second. CrispyQ Aug 23 #14

Thank you CrispyQ. That sounds very delicious debm55 Aug 24 #127

BLT was (and still is) the absolute peak of culinary ... stopdiggin Aug 23 #16

I bow down to the person who first put bacon and tomato together on a sandwich yellowdogintexas Aug 23 #22

Thank you stopdiggen. BLT --yummy. I put diced celery and onion in my egg salad. debm55 Aug 24 #128

BLT's an adult favorite, also with turkey electric_blue68 Aug 26 #246

Tuna Fish and BLT mostly lpbk2713 Aug 23 #17

Thank you lpbk2713. That sounds good. I will have to try a crab meat sandwich. debm55 Aug 24 #129

Ham with mayo on white bread. n/t Different Drummer Aug 23 #18

Thank you Different Drummer. I like my ham with brown mustard. Yummy. debm55 Aug 24 #131

No question about it mine was peanut butter and Polly Hennessey Aug 23 #19

Thank you Polly Hennessey. Great choices. debm55 Aug 24 #132

Tuna rockbluff botanist Aug 23 #21

Thank you rockbluff botanist. tuna fish sammies are great. debm55 Aug 24 #134

as a kid PBJ grape jelly of course. (my mom used to stir up BP and jelly together-yum) yellowdogintexas Aug 23 #23

Thank you yellowdogintexas, What a great memory of your mom. debm55 Aug 24 #135

Probably Grilled Cheese ProfessorGAC Aug 23 #24

Thank you ProfessorGAC love Ruebens. Grilled cheese was my go to winter sammie. debm55 Aug 24 #136

fave samwich Squeaky41 Aug 23 #25

Thank you Squeaky. Husband is from Boston and we had many lobster rolls at little eateries near the shore. debm55 Aug 24 #137

Oh yes. I used to cater. The cook would mix crab with lobster applegrove Aug 24 #228

Interesting! electric_blue68 Aug 26 #255

Because lobster can be $30 a can in Canada. We called applegrove Aug 26 #258

Ham sandwich. LisaM Aug 23 #26

Thank you LisaM . Had ham sandwiches after Easter and Christmas. I remember that bread with molasses in it. It gave the debm55 Aug 24 #139

I love Hillbilly Bread! Moosepoop Aug 24 #144

Tomato and cheese with miracle whip. woodsprite Aug 23 #27

Thank you woodsprite. Must have MW. debm55 Aug 24 #148

Grilled peanut butter #1; peanut butter and radish, #2 WheelWalker Aug 23 #28

PB & Radish? displacedvermoter Aug 23 #30

You betcha! Sliced radishes. Thick better than thin. Spread them out over the pb. Try it! WheelWalker Aug 23 #36

Maybe? 🤔 displacedvermoter Aug 23 #37

Okay you kinda blew my mind. FalloutShelter Aug 23 #45

Toledo, OH. Another to blow your mind... sweet onion & Limburger sandwich. WheelWalker Aug 23 #46

Whhaaaaaa? FalloutShelter Aug 23 #47

Onion and braunschweiger with mayo. rubbersole Aug 23 #51

Most definitely! Mom loved braunschweiger and onion also! On buttered toast! WheelWalker Aug 23 #53

Yeah or tomato instead of onion Figarosmom Aug 24 #121

I've never had braunschweiger, but I wonder if liverwurst and onion would go together? Sounds promising... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #256

Liverwurst and braunschweiger are virtually identical. rubbersole Aug 26 #262

Ah, ty for info. 👍 When I get to a couple of certain food stores I will look for it. electric_blue68 Aug 26 #269

Um, maybe you shouldn't go to the prom or a drive-in... rubbersole Aug 26 #270

I will take your advice*! 👍 electric_blue68 Aug 26 #271

Or you could both eat one 😋... rubbersole Aug 27 #274

Aw. electric_blue68 Aug 27 #275

Never had limburger cheese. Would it work w blue cheese instead? electric_blue68 Aug 26 #248

Wouldn't be similar at all. WheelWalker Aug 26 #249

Ty, as a cheese fan I'm always interested in learnigng new info. electric_blue68 Aug 26 #250

I think soft, aged limburger is generally in a jar IIRC. See edit below WheelWalker Aug 26 #252

Thank you WheelWalker. That is really different. debm55 Aug 24 #149

I was a very picky eater as a kid. Diamond_Dog Aug 23 #29

Thank you Diamond_Dog. did you eat just a plain cheese sandwich? debm55 Aug 24 #150

Yes. Just cheese. Diamond_Dog Aug 24 #204

Hello forner picky eater. Me, too. ... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #259

Hello back atcha former picky eater! Diamond_Dog Aug 26 #260

A bacon sandwich- toasted Arnold's bread, lightly buttered with grape jelly on one side, and Heinz c-rational Aug 23 #31

Before I stopped eating animal products 10 years ago, BLTs were my favorite. MLAA Aug 23 #58

I still like a simple lettuce and tomato with Heilman's light mayo on multi-grain. c-rational Aug 23 #71

Me too, sometimes if the tomatoes are really good I have tomato and veganaise on toast. MLAA Aug 23 #72

Thank you MLAA. I use to eat Morning Star meatless products. I have found it in a long time. So I just don't have bacon. debm55 Aug 24 #177

I spelled it wrong! Light Life MLAA Aug 24 #183

Thank you MLAA. debm55 Aug 24 #185

Thank you , c-rational, It sounds a little different. debm55 Aug 24 #151

Thank you, c-rational. debm55 Aug 24 #173

Thank you c-rational. It sounds different. debm55 Aug 24 #178

My uncle used to make grilled cheese with bologna and tomato sandwiches that were great. LoisB Aug 23 #32

Thank you LoisB. That sounds great. debm55 Aug 24 #158

Lebanon bologna and miracle whip sandwich. Egg salad now 😋 Clouds Passing Aug 23 #33

Thank you Clouds Passing. Still use MW and use it in my egg salad. I have gotten away from eating lunchmeat. debm55 Aug 24 #159

Not much meat anymore. Clouds Passing Aug 24 #194

I love Lebanon bologna but not moniss Aug 24 #203

Grilled cheese with tomato FalloutShelter Aug 23 #43

Thank you FalloutShelter. I liked my grilled cheese with a fresh tomato slice on white bread. debm55 Aug 24 #175

Ah, I'd forgotten about rye as a grilled cheeese option... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #257

My mom made what she called a "go to hell sandwich" randr Aug 23 #49

Thank you randr. That sounds great. debm55 Aug 24 #179

Pastrami ... surrealAmerican Aug 23 #50

Same here. I never had Pastrami . But I did have your other choices. Thank you surrealAmerican. debm55 Aug 24 #180

Grilled cheese on rye bread with caraway seeds. flor-de-jasmim Aug 23 #52

Thank you very much flor-de-jasmim. debm55 Aug 24 #181

Grilled cheese with bologna. OLDMDDEM Aug 23 #54

Thank you OLDMDDEM. I had as a kid too. Easy to make it yourself. debm55 Aug 24 #182

It was soooo good! OLDMDDEM Aug 24 #188

Grilled cheese Demovictory9 Aug 23 #56

Thank you Demovictory9. Even as an adult it is my favorite comfort food in the winter. debm55 Aug 24 #186

Deviled ham, also liverwurst Lemonwurst Aug 23 #59

Thank you Lemonwurst. I never had either. The market near would make their own. It was great. debm55 Aug 24 #184

Hmmmm, I think liverwurst sandwhich was another one I really liked... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #261

Mom made fluffernutters TommieMommy Aug 23 #60

Oohhh, those are good! (Fluffernutters) Elessar Zappa Aug 23 #66

Thank you Elessar Zappa. What is a Fluffernutter? debm55 Aug 23 #100

Peanut butter and marshmallow creme on white bread. Elessar Zappa Aug 24 #140

Thank you . My mouth is watering. debm55 Aug 24 #142

Thank you TommieMommy. Grilled cheese is my go to sammie in the winter. I could eat every day. debm55 Aug 23 #109

What's a "kid sandwich?" malthaussen Aug 23 #61

Thank you Mal . It's a sandwich you made by yourself or your mom made for a day camp, a walk to a friends house, or debm55 Aug 23 #98

still is , AllaN01Bear Aug 23 #63

Thank you AllaN01Bear. debm55 Aug 24 #189

Pb and J. Strawberry was my favorite jam. Elessar Zappa Aug 23 #64

Thank you Elessar Zappa. Excellent choice. I like Cream Cheese with strawberry jam on it. sammies. debm55 Aug 24 #190

Ah, that sounds good! Elessar Zappa Aug 26 #238

A good BLT because moniss Aug 23 #65

Thank you moniss. I never had spam. Is it sort of like pork meat loaf? thank you. debm55 Aug 24 #191

Sort of like a ham meat loaf moniss Aug 24 #199

thank you, my friend. debm55 Aug 24 #202

Any time and another Spam tip is to try moniss Aug 24 #206

Thank you moniss debm55 Aug 24 #210

Isley's Chip chopped ham and American cheese. I got a lot of Braunschweiger and doc03 Aug 23 #67

doc03 , you can still get Isley's Chipped. Chopped ham. They even sell Isley's BBQ sauce. I miss Isley's debm55 Aug 24 #192

Egg salad with lettuce and a slice of cheese fargone Aug 23 #68

Very good choice. Thank you fargone. debm55 Aug 24 #193

Grilled Cheese. HeartsCanHope Aug 23 #69

Thank you HeartsCanHope. same here in the winter. debm55 Aug 24 #195

Peanut butter and jelly as a kid. arkielib Aug 23 #70

Thank you arkielib. I am going to try the cranberries in mine. I do add chopped onions and celery in. debm55 Aug 24 #196

I hope you like it! And I forgot earlier - I also add chopped pecans. arkielib Aug 24 #212

I enjoyed peanut butter and k55f5r Aug 23 #73

Thank you k55f5r. I'll stick with the PB and J debm55 Aug 24 #197

Grilled Cheese - only American cheese and dai13sy Aug 23 #74

Thank you dai13sy. Perfect winter comfort food. Even at my age. debm55 Aug 24 #200

Fresh tomato out of our garden on dad's homemade bread with mayo and black pepper. catbyte Aug 23 #76

Thank you catbyte. Yes, it had to be Kraft's American cheese--sliced. With a fresh tomato and (sorry) MW debm55 Aug 24 #198

Miricle Whip and White Bread. That's it. Lochloosa Aug 23 #78

..miracle whip, peanut butter & lettuce.. thomski64 Aug 23 #81

I didn't start eating mayo till i was in my 30s. Lochloosa Aug 23 #89

Thank you Lochloosa. I still use MW. debm55 Aug 23 #96

Thank you thomski64, I still use MW. debm55 Aug 23 #97

Thank you thomske64. I had those a couple of times too. Never had mayo, even now. I am a MWer. debm55 Aug 24 #205

Thank you Lochloosa. I used to make myself cream cheese sammies. debm55 Aug 23 #99

Thank you Lochloosa. I had the exact same thing as a kid. debm55 Aug 24 #214

this was mine... not very healthy lapfog_1 Aug 23 #79

Not too we had them too, but not cut in a cross form. I didn't like it. Thank you lapfrog_1 debm55 Aug 23 #95

While this sandwich wasn't homemade, I still loved it and wish I could have it today. Trueblue Texan Aug 23 #80

Thank you Trueblue Texan. That sounds very good. debm55 Aug 23 #94

As a kid, I was hyper addicted to sugar, so PBJ. Gaytano70 Aug 23 #82

Thank you Gaytano70. lettuce wraps sound great. PS Take care of yourself debm55 Aug 23 #93

Thanks Deb! Gaytano70 Aug 23 #101

BLT LeonidPlanck Aug 23 #83

Thank you LeonidPlanck. I used to make celery with peanut butter and raisins----ants on a log.. debm55 Aug 23 #92

Raisins would be a nice touch LeonidPlanck Aug 25 #235

Tuna salad WestMichRad Aug 23 #84

I hate bologna----mystery meat. Mine had yellow mustard. debm55 Aug 23 #91

For some reason I liked a slice of American cheese on white bread with miracle whip. Xavier Breath Aug 23 #102

Thank you Xavier Breath. I had the same---- MW on American cheese on white bread. Easy to make for a kid. I didn't like debm55 Aug 23 #105

Grilled cheese made with Velveeta Freddie Aug 23 #103

Thank you Freddie I have heard those words--Velveeta and Cheez Whiz in forever. Yes, I remember Velvetta sammies and debm55 Aug 23 #108

I'd have to go with either the croque monsieur or croque madame, Abolishinist Aug 23 #104

Thank you.Abolishinist debm55 Aug 23 #106

Good memories! When my aunt & uncle who (moved to for job) lived in western mid Switzerland (by French border) visited. electric_blue68 Aug 26 #266

What a wonderful thing for them to do! Abolishinist Aug 26 #272

Bologna, mustard and potato chips. redstatebluegirl Aug 23 #107

Thank you redstebluegirl. Was it yellow mustard? That's what I had. I put my chips on my sammie. debm55 Aug 23 #110

Yes! I still have one every now and then! redstatebluegirl Aug 24 #125

Cold turkey Cartoonist Aug 23 #111

Thank you Cartoonist. Yes with stuffing on it too. debm55 Aug 23 #112

Tuna boat I_UndergroundPanther Aug 23 #113

Thank you I_UndergroundPanther. That sounds great. I never had one before. debm55 Aug 24 #207

My mom used to make a wicked chicken salad DFW Aug 23 #115

Bologna with potato chips and mustard on wonder bread. Kittycatkat Aug 23 #116

Ground bologna and pickle spread Luciferous Aug 23 #117

Bologna, sliced cheese and mayo Wolf Frankula Aug 24 #118

Thank you Wolf Franula. I had that sammie, but we used MW debm55 Aug 24 #213

Fried bologna Figarosmom Aug 24 #119

Yes. Thank you Figarpsmom. Used to eat fried bologna sammies as a kid, with mustard on it. debm55 Aug 24 #122

Salami and sliced cucumbers on pumpernickel Wicked Blue Aug 24 #123

Thank you Wicked Blue, That sounds great. debm55 Aug 24 #124

BLT Zambero Aug 24 #126

Thank you, Zambero, You are so right. Don't each much bacon anymore, but my mouth is watering. debm55 Aug 24 #157

At my age that is very sound advice! Zambero Aug 24 #187

Bologna, american cheese slice, toasted white bread dipped in obscene amount of yellow mustard. rainin Aug 24 #130

Thank you rainin. And it had to be Frenches Yellow mustard. debm55 Aug 24 #156

Egg salad sandwich or an egg sandwich. nt Shermann Aug 24 #133

Thank you Shermann. Your right --sometimes it was easier to make a scrambled egg sammie, or a sliced hard boiled egg debm55 Aug 24 #143

BLT when I could get it (still is) Jilly_in_VA Aug 24 #138

Thank you Jilly_in _VA. I am sorry about your brother. Long ago had bologna (called Jumbo in SW PA) with Frenches debm55 Aug 24 #141

The only thing my mom taught me to make. JohnnyRingo Aug 24 #145

You and Jimmy Buffet both malthaussen Aug 24 #153

Thank you very much Johnny Ringo, You are a survivor. Thank you for post. Love, Deb. debm55 Aug 24 #154

Salami on rye. Mosby Aug 24 #146

Thank you Mosby. I liked brown mustard with it too, debm55 Aug 24 #152

Same here! Mosby Aug 24 #155

I love salami sammies too. Thank you Mosby. debm55 Aug 24 #167

Tuna melt w/swiss cheese grilled on French toast style bread Botany Aug 24 #160

HAHAHHAHAHHAHA Thank you for your post Botany. That was funny. Your tuna salad is very much like mine. You know it might debm55 Aug 24 #169

I won't say it was my favorite, but I remember mayonnaise sandwiches. Jeebo Aug 24 #161

Thank you Jeebo for your post. It is heartwarming. Thank you.for sharing. debm55 Aug 24 #166

bologna. gibraltar72 Aug 24 #162

Thank you gibraltar72. Fun sammie that kids could make themselves. debm55 Aug 24 #165

i don't care for sammichs. tho i once made a great tunafish salad on a bakery hard roll. only BLT'S, minus the tomato. pansypoo53219 Aug 24 #163

Thank you pansypoo53219 That sounds different and good. debm55 Aug 24 #164

i like cherry tomatoes. i really like lettuce. if only romaine didn't become death salad. pansypoo53219 Aug 24 #224

Kid sandwich? What if you're a vegetarian? Ocelot II Aug 24 #168

thank you Ocelot II, I have made salads and eaten them on a hard roll. Maybe with cheese and vinaigrette on top. I made debm55 Aug 24 #172

But the sandwiches weren't *made of* kids, right? So they weren't kid sandwiches. Ocelot II Aug 24 #174

I changed the OP title. Ty debm55 Aug 24 #176

We couldn't even afford bread so I had to eat my filet mignon and lobster tail and no bread. Wonder Why Aug 24 #170

I have little to say to your post. debm55 Aug 24 #171

You do know it was a joke, right? Wonder Why Aug 24 #218

You should have posted a sarcasm tag below. debm55 Aug 24 #220

BLT wryter2000 Aug 24 #201

Thank you wryter2000. You got that right. debm55 Aug 24 #211

When my mom made bread, she would fry a dough patty and put her homemade strawberry jam on top. Delicious! lkinwi Aug 24 #208

Thank you Ikinwi. That sounds delicious. Was it fry bread? Love fry bread. debm55 Aug 24 #209

It was her version of fry bread. Just bread dough in a fry pan with butter. lkinwi Aug 25 #231

Ohhhh, fry bread! I first had it was in a little restaurant for a lunch break out of the Greyhound bus in... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #267

B.L.T.. Always my favorite. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Aug 24 #219

YES, Thank you OldBaldy1701E I have a hard time with bacon as I have aged.I wish I could have one. I might give it a debm55 Aug 24 #221

Yeah, as a quadruple bypass patient, I am not supposed to have 'bacon'... OldBaldy1701E Aug 24 #222

Grilled cheese. area51 Aug 24 #225

thank you area51,Great choice,,,, debm55 Aug 24 #227

I liked bologna with mustard on brown bread. I ate it every school day. applegrove Aug 24 #226

Thank you applegrove. I liked bologna with mustard on white bread. I haven't eaten since grade school. debm55 Aug 25 #232

I had a few wendyb-NC Aug 25 #229

Thank you wendyb-NC very good choices. Why did they complain? debm55 Aug 25 #233

No one liked the aroma of the hard boiled eggs,l guess wendyb-NC Aug 25 #236

hahahhahhahahahha. ty that's funny debm55 Aug 25 #237

Grilled Cheese Stargleamer Aug 25 #230

Thank you Stargleamer. Excellent choices. debm55 Aug 25 #234

Spam w/ Miracle Whip on white bread nt LNM Aug 26 #239

Thank you very much, LNM debm55 Aug 26 #241

albacore tuna salad, or omlette sandwich... electric_blue68 Aug 26 #240

OMG, I thought I was the only one the did that. HHAHHAHHAH Thank you electric_blue68 Yes tuna salad and scrambled egg. debm55 Aug 26 #242

Ha! 😄 Never asked anyone if they did that w baloney!👍 electric_blue68 Aug 26 #268

Parents would separately or mix the egg and balonga in with the eggs, debm55 Aug 26 #273

Tuna salad with chopped celery and a slice of cheddar on toast. Mmmmmm NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 26 #251

Thank you BrianTheEVGuy. It sounds very good with the cheddar debm55 Aug 26 #263

Grilled cheese. love_katz Aug 26 #253

love_katz,perfect winter comfort food. Thank you debm55 Aug 26 #264

Was happiest with a chunk of crusty bread, some cheese Attilatheblond Aug 26 #254

Thank you, I used to back a similiar lunch as a kid and go off with my friends to adventures unknown on our bikes. debm55 Aug 26 #265

Peanut butter and banana sandwiches. lark Aug 27 #276

Yes , I remember them . Thank you, lark. debm55 Aug 27 #277

ok, as usual I have to be a little weird Kali Aug 27 #278

Thank you Kali. Great post. I used to eat bologna sammies on white bread. spread a little yellow mustard. A kids dream. debm55 Aug 27 #279

I hated bologna until my honeymoon Kali Aug 27 #280

Great, and enjoy. debm55 Aug 27 #281