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8. Food for thought
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

This is a larger issue going back to our Communist founders - can you flip state by state or does it have to be a worldwide effort? From the article below: "Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky long ago argued that socialism in one country is impossible because a socialist revolution that does not spread will either be crushed from the outside or survive by being transformed from within. Socialism in one workplace is even more of a non-starter, because the economic, political, and military power of the existing ruling class remains in place."

We saw it happen within months with the Paris Commune: https://www.marxists.org/glossary/orgs/p/a.htm

The article gives the example of Mondragón (in Spain since the 1950s so it gives us some perspective): http://isreview.org/issue/93/are-workers-cooperatives-alternative-capitalism





Some Ideas on Socialism [View all] Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #1
Once we get past the fearmongering, what we're left with is control over our lives. Gregorian Feb 2016 #2
Word confusion ... Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #3
I meant arrangement. Sorry. Gregorian Feb 2016 #4
This is good Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #5
Or combinations of those forms........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2016 #10
Co-operatives are a very viable form of public ownership of the means of production. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #6
Precisely! Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #7
Food for thought TBF Feb 2016 #8
Though not in substance, yet in form, dimple Feb 2016 #9
Speaking from this one Trotskyist perspective....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2016 #11
It's good to see you again - TBF Feb 2016 #12
Thanx.............. socialist_n_TN Feb 2016 #13
Gotta start somewhere! Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #14
... TBF Feb 2016 #15
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