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LeftishBrit

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22. 'All it can lead to is lost seats...'

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:45 AM

Jun 2017

No. Labour *gained* seats in the election. This was first and foremost for anti-austerity reasons; but some of it was because the under-25s turned out to vote in large numbers: in part because they thought that Labour is at least less pro-Brexit than the Tories. If Labour join the Tories on a hard Brexit they may lose these voters.

Nearly two-thirds of Labour supporters voted Remain as compared with 40% of Tory supporters.

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Reassessing Corbynism: success, contradictions and a difficult path ahead [View all] Denzil_DC Jun 2017 OP

I'd have a bit more respect for the arguments there... Ken Burch Jun 2017 #1

Ha, wondered when you'd be along. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #2

Is there any possible honorable way for Labour to go full-on anti-Brexit at this point? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #3

OK, I'll try to take this para by para. But first your OP line: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #4

I'm aware that a large group of Labour politicians before Corbyn came along Ken Burch Jun 2017 #5

Do you have any idea the economic mess the UK was in before it joined the EC? Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #6

What was done to Greece is what will be done to ANY left government under the EU. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #7

You mentioned the Attlee example simply because you don't have any answer at all Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #8

There is some pretty good stuff in Labour's platform... T_i_B Jun 2017 #9

Thanks, T_i_B. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #10

The reason why they can get away with it right now.... T_i_B Jun 2017 #11

"white van man", not "white can man" Ken Burch Jun 2017 #12

Dude, if you're going to pick on an obvious typo Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #13

Sorry, the "can man" thing was meant as a joke Ken Burch Jun 2017 #14

Read this thread here: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #15

I know the routine. And I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #16

See, for you it's the luxury of being a hypothetical issue. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #17

This is pretty much the same argument.... T_i_B Jun 2017 #18

Well, the Labour manifesto's carefully worded. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #19

I'm not "rabid anti-EU". I support them on the parts of what they do that are progressive. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #25

Well, "Jeremy" must be a grave disappointment to you. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #27

I'm fine with what Corbyn's doing there. I've never been rabidly anti-EU and you know it. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #28

First of all, I do agree that the Remain campaign was very poor; that if it had been better we might LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #29

"I think your feelings about Corbyn are driven by he apparent Labour-Tory cooperation in Scotland." Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #30

OK, I withdraw the word "apparent"...I use that word to mean "essentially proved" Ken Burch Jun 2017 #32

Well, if he stopped telling blatant lies about the SNP's record in government when he comes up here Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #33

You are assuming that the two are separable LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #21

'All it can lead to is lost seats...' LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #22

While I do not defend the EU's treatment of Greece, it was not mainly an ideological assault LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #23

You seem not to have noticed that Denmark now has a right-wing, anti-immigrant government Ken Burch Jun 2017 #26

So the EU's responsible for the choices of the Danish electorate? Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #31

'The EU didn't exist when Labour created the post-war social welfare state' LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #24

Good article! LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #20