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Denzil_DC

(7,944 posts)
27. Well, "Jeremy" must be a grave disappointment to you.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jun 2017

He's now in favour of continuing the UK's involvement with the EU through access to the single market. That's what we call a "soft Brexit".

That means that the UK will have to comply with EU laws and regulations. But the UK will no longer be able to vote to shape them. That's kinda stupid. So if all you've been rabidly ranting on about at great length (just pointing out how it comes across) is true, your only consistent position would be a "hard" Brexit.

That's a position that definitely has minority support.

As for "Jeremy", people usually reserve first-name only status for pop idols or people they actually know. I don't know who this "everybody" you're referring to might be, but it's not common among the UK public when referring to Corbyn, so yes, it does sound rather odd and fanboyish.

Now this whole discussion is just going round and round in circles, and you're arrogantly refusing to take into account (or even respond to at the moment) what a number of people on this thread are telling you about the politics of their own country. That's not a good look, you know.

You complain about being shown "no evidence" when your pigheadedness doesn't exactly encourage anyone to waste the time offering you any, because you'll either ignore it (like the polling info I took the trouble to fish out for you) or dismiss it and keep banging on over and over with the same points even after they've been countered.

I don't think you're persuading anyone, and you're obviously beyond persuasion. It's a waste of time and energy that would be better directed elsewhere.

There's a chance we might have been able to spend this thread discussing other issues raised in the OP, and there are important ones that are worth considering at this key moment, but just look at where you've taken it. Swamping the discussion like this on the only DU group dedicated to UK matters is out of order, IMHO.

I'd have a bit more respect for the arguments there... Ken Burch Jun 2017 #1
Ha, wondered when you'd be along. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #2
Is there any possible honorable way for Labour to go full-on anti-Brexit at this point? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #3
OK, I'll try to take this para by para. But first your OP line: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #4
I'm aware that a large group of Labour politicians before Corbyn came along Ken Burch Jun 2017 #5
Do you have any idea the economic mess the UK was in before it joined the EC? Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #6
What was done to Greece is what will be done to ANY left government under the EU. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #7
You mentioned the Attlee example simply because you don't have any answer at all Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #8
There is some pretty good stuff in Labour's platform... T_i_B Jun 2017 #9
Thanks, T_i_B. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #10
The reason why they can get away with it right now.... T_i_B Jun 2017 #11
"white van man", not "white can man" Ken Burch Jun 2017 #12
Dude, if you're going to pick on an obvious typo Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #13
Sorry, the "can man" thing was meant as a joke Ken Burch Jun 2017 #14
Read this thread here: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #15
I know the routine. And I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #16
See, for you it's the luxury of being a hypothetical issue. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #17
This is pretty much the same argument.... T_i_B Jun 2017 #18
Well, the Labour manifesto's carefully worded. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #19
I'm not "rabid anti-EU". I support them on the parts of what they do that are progressive. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #25
Well, "Jeremy" must be a grave disappointment to you. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #27
I'm fine with what Corbyn's doing there. I've never been rabidly anti-EU and you know it. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #28
First of all, I do agree that the Remain campaign was very poor; that if it had been better we might LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #29
"I think your feelings about Corbyn are driven by he apparent Labour-Tory cooperation in Scotland." Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #30
OK, I withdraw the word "apparent"...I use that word to mean "essentially proved" Ken Burch Jun 2017 #32
Well, if he stopped telling blatant lies about the SNP's record in government when he comes up here Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #33
You are assuming that the two are separable LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #21
'All it can lead to is lost seats...' LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #22
While I do not defend the EU's treatment of Greece, it was not mainly an ideological assault LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #23
You seem not to have noticed that Denmark now has a right-wing, anti-immigrant government Ken Burch Jun 2017 #26
So the EU's responsible for the choices of the Danish electorate? Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #31
'The EU didn't exist when Labour created the post-war social welfare state' LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #24
Good article! LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #20
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