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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. I agree with you on some points:
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:04 PM
Aug 2017

1) He actually should acknowledge that the SNP have done some good things in power. I think he will be freer to do that now that Dugdale's stood down-she was a sectarian Blairite and her vote as a member of the Labour NEC, a body to which her membership has always been somewhat in question-gave the anti-Corbyn right wing of the party a one-seat majority. If she s replaced by someone from the Scottish Labour Left, I suspect you'll see a different attitude on that.

2) As I said in OP, there should never have been a Labour pact with the Tories in Scotland-Labour had an obligation to try and regain at least some of the Scottish seats it lost, but not by inadvertently helping Theresa May's allies gain enough ground to cling to power with the support of the Ulster Homophobia Party(sorry, the DUP).

3) Labour shouldn't see the SNP as a greater menace than the Tories. The SNP might assist on this by taking independence off the immediate agenda-and focusing more on just being a progressive "good government" party-the Parti Quebecois, the Quebec equivalent to the SNP, has recently taken a step along this line, promising that it they are returned to power at the next Quebec election, the PQ will not call another independence referendum during its first term in office.

Labour should pledge that, of returned to office, it will increase Holyrood's powers. The Smith Commission was years ago, at the height of New Labour. I can understand your anger towards the party on that, but not so much towards Corbyn and where he's going with things now.

Here's a dilemma that Jeremy faces on Scotland:

It's going to be tough for any party to defeat the SNP at Westminster or Holyrood level, if you are the leader of Westminster Labour, can you really get away with essentially giving up on writing off an entire nation within the UK on the electoral level? Is he supposed to say "I'm never going to even try helping my party regain ground in one of its historic strongholds"? He needs to show some respect to the SNP's achievements, but at the same time he has responsibilities to his own party. My own suggestion would be that he and whoever leads Scottish Labour need to put the Scottish wing of the party, for the first time since Holyrood was created, to the left of the SNP.





I always felt sorry for Dugdale T_i_B Aug 2017 #1
She DID stand up to Corbyn...in fact, she spent much of her tenure fighting to remove him Ken Burch Aug 2017 #2
Corbyn is a London politician... T_i_B Aug 2017 #3
Corbyn HAPPENS to be from London. He hasn't taken consciously anti-Scottish positions. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #4
Location matters. T_i_B Aug 2017 #5
OK...but since any politician from anywhere is going to have some local loyalties, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #6
Actually, it tends to be more of an asset for most politicians T_i_B Aug 2017 #7
Agreed. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #8
I would ask Denzil about polls and popularity in Scotland... T_i_B Aug 2017 #9
The "poll" Ken's referring to, Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #10
I agree with you on some points: Ken Burch Aug 2017 #11
Point by point: Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #12
I was wrong on the Smith Commission date. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #13
Corbyn was Labour leader when the Scotland Act 2016 was debated and voted through Parliament. Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #14
As always, I learn from your posts. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #15
You obviously shouldn't just take what I say on trust. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #16
Thanks for the info about the likely sucessors to Dugdale. T_i_B Sep 2017 #17
Well, yes to all that, T_i_B. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #18
There are contradictions, but it's not as simple as saying Corbyn is contradictory Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21
I can see a case for voting SNP in Holyrood elections. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #20
Dude, I'm not going to respond to your post above this one Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #22
I know Callaghan's government itself was a trainwreck Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
Listen. Listen good, because I'm about done wasting my time on you. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #25
It was Heath that did the three-day week. And I'm not defending Callaghan. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #26
Mea culpa. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #27
My point about the no-confidence motion was not about claiming Callaghan was brilliant. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29
A backgrounder from the Glasgow Herald's Tom Gordon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #19
Another backgrounder from the Herald, this time from Paul Hutcheon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #23
Well now ... Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #28
YouGov: "Why the Labour centrists stand a better chance in Scotland" Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #30
As you pointed out, most of those who would be "Corbynyista" ended up in the SNP. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #31
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you don't actually read what I write, Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #32
Finally, the leadership election results, and the winner is ... Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #33
"Reality" TV shows? T_i_B Nov 2017 #34
What is it about politicians swanning off from their jobs to appear on reality shows? LeftishBrit Nov 2017 #35
On the brighter side, I reckon it finished off the serious period of Galloway's career! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #36
Davidson on a Bake Off special wouldn't have taken much time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #37
Yeah. If she's a crap baker, she could be out of there in no time! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #38
Does make you wonder about the list system T_i_B Nov 2017 #40
It does. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #41
Ugh. This is NOT a promising start from Leonard. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #39
It's not getting any better Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #42
What on earth is happening with Scottish Labour at present? T_i_B Oct 2018 #43
AFAIK, it's actually a separate strain of infighting, and endemic to Scottish labour. Denzil_DC Oct 2018 #44
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