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Denzil_DC

(7,944 posts)
32. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you don't actually read what I write,
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 05:00 PM
Sep 2017

or if you do, you have the memory retention of a gnat.

Somebody on this thread spent far too much time on DU over the last year or so defending Corbyn against smears of being anti-Semitic, against the undemocratic antics of the Labour hierarchy, against shameful propaganda levelled at Momentum supporters, against accusations of being unelectable etc. etc. (OK, the last one I may be wrong on - time alone will tell).

That somebody was me.

It's nothing to do with "liking" Corbyn. I'm not looking for a pal or a boyfriend.

I have criticized Corbyn because he's consistently either lied about the Scottish Government and the political situation in Scotland, or he simply can't be bothered to research what's actually happening up here. Either is inexcusable, and I have every right to be angry about it. I also feel he's been lamentably weak in his opposition to the Tories' utterly predictable Brexit power grab and very conveniently vague and contradictory on too many issues that will come back to haunt Labour at the next election. I don't give a stuff if that rattles your cage as a slavish Corbyn supporter.

I'm hard pressed at the moment to think of anyone in a position of influence within Labour who'd take a less sympathetic position towards Scotland (he has a publicly available voting record as an MP, and his stance and votes have never been favourable to Scottish devolution, let alone independence). He apparently doesn't even pay us the respect of finding out what's actually going on, he just wants our votes. That's very Old Labour.

Labour didn't generously "grant" Scotland a Scottish Executive (only later, under the SNP, did it become a parliament), it had to be dragged into doing it against its will under UN pressure and the threat of severe sanctions from the Council of Europe after some canny behind-the-scenes politicking. If it takes that sort of hard-nosed move to disentangle us from this almighty mess, I guess we'll have to find a way to do it, no matter what May, Corbyn or any other politico thinks about it.

I added a few posts with up-to-date information and analysis to this thread because the Scottish Labour leadership election's going to be a tiresomely long haul and I doubt many are going to be that interested in a string of whole new threads when something else comes up. That wasn't an invitation to go over the same old tired ground again and again.

I'm really, really tired of you lecturing me about the situation in my own country, and I'm within a hair of placing you on ignore, because I think these endless exchanges benefit nobody, and risk sucking the air out of the group.

I always felt sorry for Dugdale T_i_B Aug 2017 #1
She DID stand up to Corbyn...in fact, she spent much of her tenure fighting to remove him Ken Burch Aug 2017 #2
Corbyn is a London politician... T_i_B Aug 2017 #3
Corbyn HAPPENS to be from London. He hasn't taken consciously anti-Scottish positions. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #4
Location matters. T_i_B Aug 2017 #5
OK...but since any politician from anywhere is going to have some local loyalties, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #6
Actually, it tends to be more of an asset for most politicians T_i_B Aug 2017 #7
Agreed. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #8
I would ask Denzil about polls and popularity in Scotland... T_i_B Aug 2017 #9
The "poll" Ken's referring to, Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #10
I agree with you on some points: Ken Burch Aug 2017 #11
Point by point: Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #12
I was wrong on the Smith Commission date. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #13
Corbyn was Labour leader when the Scotland Act 2016 was debated and voted through Parliament. Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #14
As always, I learn from your posts. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #15
You obviously shouldn't just take what I say on trust. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #16
Thanks for the info about the likely sucessors to Dugdale. T_i_B Sep 2017 #17
Well, yes to all that, T_i_B. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #18
There are contradictions, but it's not as simple as saying Corbyn is contradictory Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21
I can see a case for voting SNP in Holyrood elections. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #20
Dude, I'm not going to respond to your post above this one Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #22
I know Callaghan's government itself was a trainwreck Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
Listen. Listen good, because I'm about done wasting my time on you. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #25
It was Heath that did the three-day week. And I'm not defending Callaghan. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #26
Mea culpa. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #27
My point about the no-confidence motion was not about claiming Callaghan was brilliant. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29
A backgrounder from the Glasgow Herald's Tom Gordon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #19
Another backgrounder from the Herald, this time from Paul Hutcheon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #23
Well now ... Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #28
YouGov: "Why the Labour centrists stand a better chance in Scotland" Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #30
As you pointed out, most of those who would be "Corbynyista" ended up in the SNP. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #31
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you don't actually read what I write, Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #32
Finally, the leadership election results, and the winner is ... Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #33
"Reality" TV shows? T_i_B Nov 2017 #34
What is it about politicians swanning off from their jobs to appear on reality shows? LeftishBrit Nov 2017 #35
On the brighter side, I reckon it finished off the serious period of Galloway's career! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #36
Davidson on a Bake Off special wouldn't have taken much time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #37
Yeah. If she's a crap baker, she could be out of there in no time! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #38
Does make you wonder about the list system T_i_B Nov 2017 #40
It does. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #41
Ugh. This is NOT a promising start from Leonard. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #39
It's not getting any better Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #42
What on earth is happening with Scottish Labour at present? T_i_B Oct 2018 #43
AFAIK, it's actually a separate strain of infighting, and endemic to Scottish labour. Denzil_DC Oct 2018 #44
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