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Denzil_DC

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44. AFAIK, it's actually a separate strain of infighting, and endemic to Scottish labour.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 06:44 AM
Oct 2018

It's most recently blown up around ex-Scottish leader Kezia Dugdale's ill-advised and very costly defence of a defamation case against Wings Over Scotland blogger Stuart Campbell, where she accused him of homophobia in a Daily Record article then again in the Scottish Parliament. The costs so far have been eye-watering, it seems she has little prospect of winning, and it came as a shock to many Labour supporters that their scarce funds had been spent on the case, apparently with little or no accountability or formal decision-making. Dugdale's been publicly very bitter about how she's been treated by Scottish Labour (she's more or less been in the wilderness since she stood down, and isn't expected to remain an MSP for much longer).

Where it does reflect Labour's problems Down South is in the split between pro- and anti-Corbynites, with abiding resentment of pro-Corbyn Leonard winning the leadership election over Sarwar, not helped by the fact Leonard's been thoroughly useless ever since. There are overlaps between those involved in that ongoing spat and the Dugdale affair. It has to be said that although this has crystallized around pro-and anti-Corbyn factions, even without Corbyn the same frictions would exist, and have done for many years.

Word is that Sarwar and his cronies have been briefing against Leonard for some time. Baillie (who you may remember I'm not at all fond of) has been a wannabe power behind the throne for many years, and may have been stirring things herself, as that's her style. Leonard doesn't seem much of a leader, and the way he carried out his "reshuffle" was pretty poor and cowardly. He's also brought back Alex Rowley after a time in the wilderness while a case of sexual harassment against a former parter ground on. The way this was resolved internally within Labour and the treatment of the complainant were very shoddy, which can't have helped.

So, all in all, you know, the same old same old dysfunction and boring petty bickering and vying for position that drove Labour supporters like me away many years ago ...

I always felt sorry for Dugdale T_i_B Aug 2017 #1
She DID stand up to Corbyn...in fact, she spent much of her tenure fighting to remove him Ken Burch Aug 2017 #2
Corbyn is a London politician... T_i_B Aug 2017 #3
Corbyn HAPPENS to be from London. He hasn't taken consciously anti-Scottish positions. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #4
Location matters. T_i_B Aug 2017 #5
OK...but since any politician from anywhere is going to have some local loyalties, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #6
Actually, it tends to be more of an asset for most politicians T_i_B Aug 2017 #7
Agreed. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #8
I would ask Denzil about polls and popularity in Scotland... T_i_B Aug 2017 #9
The "poll" Ken's referring to, Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #10
I agree with you on some points: Ken Burch Aug 2017 #11
Point by point: Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #12
I was wrong on the Smith Commission date. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #13
Corbyn was Labour leader when the Scotland Act 2016 was debated and voted through Parliament. Denzil_DC Aug 2017 #14
As always, I learn from your posts. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #15
You obviously shouldn't just take what I say on trust. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #16
Thanks for the info about the likely sucessors to Dugdale. T_i_B Sep 2017 #17
Well, yes to all that, T_i_B. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #18
There are contradictions, but it's not as simple as saying Corbyn is contradictory Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21
I can see a case for voting SNP in Holyrood elections. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #20
Dude, I'm not going to respond to your post above this one Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #22
I know Callaghan's government itself was a trainwreck Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
Listen. Listen good, because I'm about done wasting my time on you. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #25
It was Heath that did the three-day week. And I'm not defending Callaghan. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #26
Mea culpa. Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #27
My point about the no-confidence motion was not about claiming Callaghan was brilliant. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29
A backgrounder from the Glasgow Herald's Tom Gordon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #19
Another backgrounder from the Herald, this time from Paul Hutcheon Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #23
Well now ... Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #28
YouGov: "Why the Labour centrists stand a better chance in Scotland" Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #30
As you pointed out, most of those who would be "Corbynyista" ended up in the SNP. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #31
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you don't actually read what I write, Denzil_DC Sep 2017 #32
Finally, the leadership election results, and the winner is ... Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #33
"Reality" TV shows? T_i_B Nov 2017 #34
What is it about politicians swanning off from their jobs to appear on reality shows? LeftishBrit Nov 2017 #35
On the brighter side, I reckon it finished off the serious period of Galloway's career! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #36
Davidson on a Bake Off special wouldn't have taken much time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #37
Yeah. If she's a crap baker, she could be out of there in no time! Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #38
Does make you wonder about the list system T_i_B Nov 2017 #40
It does. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #41
Ugh. This is NOT a promising start from Leonard. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #39
It's not getting any better Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #42
What on earth is happening with Scottish Labour at present? T_i_B Oct 2018 #43
AFAIK, it's actually a separate strain of infighting, and endemic to Scottish labour. Denzil_DC Oct 2018 #44
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