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ucrdem

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55. Update to end all updates
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 08:47 AM
Aug 2016

Now that Win 7 is headed for the XP boneyard in 2020, to be followed by the upgrade to end all upgrades, Windows 10, in 2025, I thought I'd round up a few final links and tips as a requiem for a heavyweight:

1. XP: First off, XP Pro still works like a champ in the 2 PCs I've got it installed on, an e-bay "second chance" 2009 HP tower (now my go-to desktop) and an older behemoth my brother bequeathed a few years ago. XP starts right up, connects to WiFi, updates promptly (monthly Malicious Intruder bulletins), kicks up the usual nags and suggestions, detects new hardware, searches for drivers, runs a browser which also updates promptly, and of course, runs WordPerfect 5.1 in a reasonable facsimile of Windows 95.

Moral: XP runs best on PCs equipped to run it, and installing it on newer devices means crossing two perilous bridges before you even get to the WiFi adapter and printer drivers: 1) defeating UEFI "secure boot" restrictions, which can break newer Windows installations on the same drive, and 2) loading ACHI drivers ("press F6&quot to allow XP to run on newer drives. You can also set your BIOS to emulate IDE, or to not emulate ACHI, but that too will break versions not installed with the same setting.

2. Multi-boot setups: If you're planning a multi-boot with XP, it's advisable to start with a fresh HDD or SSD, partition it into drives, and then install XP in the first partition, followed by 7, 8, and/or 10 in that order, as later versions can detect XP boot loaders, but XP will replace an existing boot sequence with its own. If that happens, the way to rebuild your "boot store" is to open a command prompt and use BCDedit and Bootrec commands, which can be finicky:

More on BCDedit here: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709667(v=ws.10).aspx
More on Bootrec here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/927392

3. Anti-virus: Install something like Windows Defender on new Win 7 installations and something like Avira on new XP installations, as neither has a built-in anti-virus. Should you catch a bug in the interim, Malwarebytes will help get rid of it:

a) Windows Defender: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/14210/security-essentials-download
b) Avira free anti-virus: https://www.avira.com/
c) Malwarebytes: https://www.malwarebytes.com/mwb-download/

4. Win 10 vs. Win 7: For all intents and purposes, Win 10 is Win 7 with Macintosh filigree, and with a few adjustments, the desktops run the same way. Nevertheless, installing Win 10 means re/installing hundreds of drivers that may or may not be compatible with your system and may not even exist, so I'd recommend a dual-boot arrangement if you have room on your hard drive -- ideally, about 100 Gb, though 25 Gb will do. That way, you can search your old OS for drivers if you discover for example that your SD card doesn't show up in Win 10 Explorer. You can download Win 10 from Microsoft here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10/ (see note 1)

5. New Win 7 systems: There are some great deals on new and refurbished Win 7 Pro devices, like this desktop on Newegg for $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5YV3HJ4037. Amazon and of course e-bay also have deals on Win 7/8 equipment.

6. New Win 10 systems: If you're interested in a device with Win 10 pre-installed, and it's compatible with your other hard/software, you can probably save the trouble of a rollback with a couple of free downloads, namely Classic Shell (start button) and VLC media player (DVD player):

d) Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/downloads/ (currently 4.3.0) (see note 2)
e) VLC free all-media player: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Other items to consider are a gadget pack (desktop clock, calendar, etc), an Acrobat PDF reader, and a PDF printer:

f) Desktop Gadget pack: http://8gadgetpack.net/
g) Acrobat Reader XI: https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?fileID=5519&ftpID=5507
h) Cute PDF writer: http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp

Happy summer or what's left of it!
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Notes:

1. The Win 10 setup will ask several times for a key, but as of now, there's no loss of functionality if you don't supply one (click "skip&quot . I suppose that might change, but 10 is a far cry from XP which is ringed about with electronic chastity belts.

2. Exercise caution when downloading as the Classic Shell site was briefly hacked a few weeks ago: make sure your anti-virus is running when downloading, save downloaded files to a folder instead of running them directly, and scan files before launching them (right-click on the file, then click "scan with Defender" or other anti-virus).
To XP or not to XP . . . ? [View all] ucrdem Mar 2014 OP
another idea d_r Mar 2014 #1
Once you grok Linux, you'll never go back. hunter Mar 2014 #31
It's a good idea if you have Virtualbox to do the last updates while you can. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #34
Thanks for the informative post! gvstn Mar 2014 #2
hey thank gvstn . . . ucrdem Mar 2014 #3
Part of the discussion should include why folks are still running XP ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #4
Good point. ucrdem Mar 2014 #5
I've got WP 5.1 and some other 16 bit software on an XP machine... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #7
Yeah but can X6 preview 5.1 files? ucrdem Mar 2014 #9
I've read it can, too, but the truth is... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #10
Yep publish to PDF is awesome. ucrdem Mar 2014 #12
70% of ATM's run on XP, IRS, Hospitals, UK doesn't want to give up on it... Mondavi Apr 2014 #40
There's nothing wrong with Windows 8.1 ... Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2016 #56
thread pinned, thank you ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #6
hey thanks Steve.. ucrdem Mar 2014 #8
Great post. And I agree heartily with the Linux Mint recommendation below it. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #11
Thanks! ucrdem Mar 2014 #13
More on Oracle's VirtualBox VM ucrdem Mar 2014 #14
New drives come unformatted hobbit709 Mar 2014 #15
Drives in new machines are formatted. ucrdem Mar 2014 #16
I don't buy prebuilt machines If I can help it. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #17
If Windows 8 had been more accommodating it could have been a huge hit. ucrdem Mar 2014 #18
My review of it when I did an OEM install hobbit709 Mar 2014 #21
Profits over quality and something very worng at Microsoft.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #41
I've had some luck with the latest Opera browser on XP... ucrdem Apr 2014 #42
Yes, I went to Opera before Safari and liked... Mondavi Apr 2014 #43
Here's how to set up an XP-Win 7/8 dual boot: ucrdem Mar 2014 #19
ps - cautionary advice from an EasyBCD user forum mod, March 4, 2014: ucrdem Mar 2014 #20
MicroSoft Answers 10 End-of-Support FAQs: ucrdem Mar 2014 #22
WSJ, March 18: "How to Survive the Windows XPiration Date" ucrdem Mar 2014 #23
Of course the WSJ wants you to spend money for something you most likely won't need. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #24
LOL, true. But nothing lasts forever, ucrdem Mar 2014 #25
I can build 4 PCs for the price of one Mac. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #26
But you don't get free eyebrow waxes at the Apple store ucrdem Mar 2014 #27
"For the extreme computer literate" d_r Mar 2014 #28
"How to Install Linux Mint" ucrdem Mar 2014 #29
So you can do this with a direct download to try it out.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #49
Actually, dowloads can be tricky.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #44
I hate that happened to you d_r Apr 2014 #45
LINUX offers a disc you can buy with the program on it because.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #46
Never had a problem downloading an .iso and burning a disk from it. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #47
Thank you for the help.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #48
I'm using that wallpaper on Win8.1, love it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #33
How to disable Secure Boot in Windows 8/8.1: ucrdem Mar 2014 #30
Windows XP support is ending on April 8 and scammers from India has become hyperactive! David_ness Mar 2014 #32
I Have A MacBook & Will Switch Over, BUT ChiciB1 Apr 2014 #35
did you mean Silverlight? Service Pack 3 is not a "driver update" hobbit709 Apr 2014 #36
^ good advice. ucrdem Apr 2014 #37
Got Your Messages... A Friend Of Mine Is ChiciB1 Apr 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #39
UPDATE - A couple of notes on XP, MSE, WP, and Windows 9: ucrdem Aug 2014 #50
You can "trick" XP into getting updates until 2019. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #51
How can I tell if my XP is 32 bit? truedelphi Nov 2014 #52
XP is 32 bit unless you have the 2003 XP pro X64 version hobbit709 Nov 2014 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #54
Update to end all updates ucrdem Aug 2016 #55
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