anyone experienced getting 'refurbished' computers from Amazon?

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4. The HPs we bought were beat to hell

A lot had scratched screens since HP, like Dell, uses crappy plastic instead of glass like an Apple, and worn-out trackpads, but they all worked. They were worth the $80 we paid, and we're buying more.

The off-lease Dells we bought were even worse than their new ones. They bluescreened often no matter what we tried. They all had the typical DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO Microsoft problem. They worked fine after installing Linux, but we needed Windows laptops so we ended-up buying about two hundred used HPs from Amazon.