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karynnj

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57. The problem with going to the UN is Russia - it will not work even if there were iron clad proof
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
Sep 2013

that Assad himself did this - and the US does not belong to the International Court. I do NOT see Obama walking back the red line comment. To me saying it is an international red line.

I agree that it is tragic for Kerry, but this is something he does believe in. Remember his position on Libya and consider Boxer's position. I wrote the above this morning before attending Synagogue. One thing that surprised me is that the rabbi's sermon which addresses many problems included a comment that though poison gas was used, the international community is not even debating action. This is a man who favors VT's progressive party and is one of the leaders of an effort to keep F35s out of Burlington - fighting the entire delegation - yes, including Sanders, who has gotten a lot of flack at town halls on the issue.

I think we all have a tendency to assume that a favored politician's views are identical to our own. In this case, I think Kerry is more hawkish than almost all of us - in that he does see the need to use force to stop evil actions. I do see that his words and actions are coming from the same moral heart that his efforts for peace come from. In addition, I assume that he also may be thinking of what would create the balance needed to get to a political solution.

Still, it is heart breaking to see these events rather than an announcement (likely by Obama) of some political solution of Israel/Palestine or Afghanistan/Pakistan/India.

idiot wingnuts JI7 Aug 2013 #1
Assad was never Kerry's "friend". wisteria Aug 2013 #2
people are stupid, they think foreign policy is like high school cliques JI7 Aug 2013 #3
I think they prove - as BLM has admirably posted - that Kerry karynnj Aug 2013 #7
Good reminder blm Aug 2013 #9
on Anderson Cooper that middle east expert he always has on JI7 Aug 2013 #4
Obama got Kerry to try diplomacy? OMG, does the guy own a calendar? blm Aug 2013 #5
i only heard a part of it, i might have worded it wrong JI7 Aug 2013 #6
Yeah- Kerry developed a diplomatic relationship blm Aug 2013 #8
Well, really DU has gone crazy. Mass Aug 2013 #10
I think President Obama made a great decision... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #11
Oops. I meant not to go to war, not to Congress. Mass Aug 2013 #12
It's Obama Derangement Syndrome at work here Blaukraut Aug 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #14
So What? Mass Aug 2013 #15
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Source, please, because the articles I posted do not say that. Mass Aug 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #21
Kerry is not even quoted in the article. Mass Aug 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #23
What details? Mass Aug 2013 #24
Not much politicasista Aug 2013 #35
CNN and MSNBC shows discussed this all day. One was that general... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #30
Obama didn't even TRUST Clinton with the hot spot regions. blm Aug 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #36
I disagree. SOS Kerry never made a case for not going to Congress. wisteria Aug 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #20
Gee...I don't think Kerry will ever be good enough... blm Aug 2013 #33
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That is exactly what they were doing. Jim.. YvonneCa Aug 2013 #31
This guy? Really? Mass Aug 2013 #34
Actually, this contradicts exactly the assertions of the tweeters Mass Aug 2013 #17
I don't see anyone being hung out to dry by anyone else here, and - no offense... Blaukraut Aug 2013 #25
Ok. politicasista Aug 2013 #38
Correct. There is no danger to Americans or American soil at this time. Obama was kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #27
I hope that something happens that makes the attack not needed karynnj Aug 2013 #28
What worries me is this Mass Aug 2013 #26
I suspect it is because Obama should not be there karynnj Aug 2013 #29
SOS Kerry is making the case for a strike as well as for going to Congress. wisteria Sep 2013 #39
I am so sad. Mass Sep 2013 #40
I've had a longstanding issue with the way he gets used by WH. blm Sep 2013 #41
Agree. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #42
i think the arguing over "not war" thing is bs, it's clear he means a ground war JI7 Sep 2013 #43
I think you are right karynnj Sep 2013 #44
i agree about needing to discuss the affect we want JI7 Sep 2013 #45
Talking of stupid attack Mass Sep 2013 #46
I am sick of this entire matter. Obama should have just did it, wisteria Sep 2013 #47
Exactly how I feel. Obama kinda has a way of letting this BS happen. blm Sep 2013 #48
Frustrating. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #49
similar pattern with his appointments MBS Sep 2013 #50
True - I like Obama, but this pattern of never making a crisp, clear decision is harmful karynnj Sep 2013 #51
I think the media are also reacting more positively than I would have thought Mass Sep 2013 #52
This is frustrating karynnj Sep 2013 #54
This whole thing is giving me an... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #53
Great Post. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #59
If this debacle ends up being John Kerry's legacy as SoS, it will be tragic Blaukraut Sep 2013 #55
The problem with going to the UN is Russia - it will not work even if there were iron clad proof karynnj Sep 2013 #57
WHy can't people be opposed to this without believing all the BS ? JI7 Sep 2013 #56
Unfortunately, no matter what President Obama decides... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #58
I think making a move on Syria will anger many people, wisteria Sep 2013 #60
I wish I could prove you wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #62
DU has become simply anti- authority and anti- government. wisteria Sep 2013 #64
I recognize it - DU seems to have become GD --- with anyone who had more of the GDP orientation karynnj Sep 2013 #69
Yep. Good comments. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #77
This is the Ron Paul crowd baiting the anti-Obama left... blm Sep 2013 #76
It is amazing how some people can not accept any deviation from their own views karynnj Sep 2013 #61
Agree. The talking heads seem to be moving in on the idea wisteria Sep 2013 #65
Sanctions work only if they are international karynnj Sep 2013 #67
And, that is the problem with most other peaceful solutions. wisteria Sep 2013 #75
A few other thoights on this... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63
also keep in mind there are a lot of trolls here and all over the internet JI7 Sep 2013 #66
Exactly karynnj Sep 2013 #68
I agree about the... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #72
Yesterday, I was watching an old episode of the West Wing, the laureate poet Mass Sep 2013 #70
West Wing is great. My... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #71
I loved that episode! karynnj Sep 2013 #73
Keyboard policy makers and self-styled experts on any subject Blaukraut Sep 2013 #74
Have you seen the hit piece on Kerry from Reich? wisteria Sep 2013 #78
Sounds like TeamClinton blm Sep 2013 #79
That was what I was thinking. wisteria Sep 2013 #80
I couldn't find the piece you're talking about. blm Sep 2013 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author wisteria Sep 2013 #82
I cannot find the piece, Mass Sep 2013 #84
OK, found it, and I think that, whether it is true or not, Mass Sep 2013 #85
Samantha Powers was also very strong on this karynnj Sep 2013 #88
Reich is a pretty weird character from what I find on google karynnj Sep 2013 #86
I am signing off DU for the time being. wisteria Sep 2013 #83
They would have been picked up any way - that's the way it is now karynnj Sep 2013 #87
they would have found it anyways, but signing off of DU for a while is always JI7 Sep 2013 #89
That has been REAL tempting - however I wonder if all of us karynnj Sep 2013 #90
I am glad you stayed. And I hope... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #91
and you have always been a voice of sanity karynnj Sep 2013 #92
Me,too. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #105
I am going to disagree with you (or at least say this is not what bothers me). Mass Sep 2013 #93
So I am adding this to our old thread so the GD folks don't pounce. beachmom Sep 2013 #94
And now Hillary does have to talk about this, and is endorsing Kerry's ad hoc remark: beachmom Sep 2013 #95
I think the dance was about Russia getting Assad to be where he needed to be blm Sep 2013 #96
So you're of the view that this was a "gaffe" in a LIHOP kind of way? beachmom Sep 2013 #97
I don't think it was a gaffe, at all. Unfortunately, perception generally blm Sep 2013 #98
Well, they are trying to downplay the comment as much as they can. Mass Sep 2013 #99
I hope that there is pressure on Obama to take karynnj Sep 2013 #100
It feels like the POTUS is running with it beachmom Sep 2013 #101
Great catch - karynnj Sep 2013 #103
I think a vote is more important than ever, wisteria Sep 2013 #106
I hope they delay it indefinately karynnj Sep 2013 #109
Ne might also have thought the risk of an imminent attack karynnj Sep 2013 #102
I believe this is just a stall, but if it helps the President wisteria Sep 2013 #104
I think this is still developing - but if it works, it is a fantastic solution karynnj Sep 2013 #107
It is interesting that he spoke with Lavrov and his Syrian counterpart wisteria Sep 2013 #108
2/3rds of the American people are opposed to this potential war beachmom Sep 2013 #110
I am well aware of the opposition to attacking Syria. wisteria Sep 2013 #111
I agree with you karynnj Sep 2013 #112
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