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nomorenomore08

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16. I don't find your argument unreasonable. It just seems unnecessary in some ways, to me at least.

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 08:05 PM

Dec 2013

Bar maybe the last three, I would agree that the items on your list are not a reflection of misogyny, at least in most cases.

"Denying that rape culture exists" could be - depending how you define the term "rape culture" - simply viewed as denying reality. Most statistics suggest that, in the Western world, the average woman has between a 1 in 6 and 1 in 4 chance of being raped at some point in her life. So I don't see how anyone can deny that rape is a huge, huge problem. And the way mass media - and many, many individuals out there - tend to put the onus on victims/accusers rather than perpetrators, is certainly rooted in misogyny, I would think.

The phrase/idea "throwing like a girl" is just stupid and ignorant, albeit relatively trivial in the grand scheme of gender issues. It's also demonstrably false - otherwise I don't think women's softball would be an Olympic sport.

"Objectification" is, while not an invalid concept, more or less hopelessly subjective IMO. Though I don't think anyone but a sociopath would disagree with the idea that we should treat other people like the sentient beings they are, and not mere "things" for our use.

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Something making you feel bad isn't the same as Misogyny [View all] Bonobo Dec 2013 OP

Man A disagreeing with Woman B's opinion is not misogyny ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #1

Not a bad idea Major Nikon Dec 2013 #5

Of course, also part of the equation.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #6

any time you disagree with one, that's what you are leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #2

Please be specific ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #4

The observation that a woman is overweight lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #3

What I find strange about Jennifer Lawrence is.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #7

How did you get the link that way? Upton Dec 2013 #10

Highlight the text you want to be a hyperlink lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #11

Like this? Upton Dec 2013 #12

But focusing excessively women's appearance, and not men's, *is* rooted in misogyny nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #14

No. Misogyny is hatred of women. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #17

Not making a huge distinction Bonobo Dec 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Dec 2013 #8

Pointing out the biological differences between men and women.. Upton Dec 2013 #9

But exaggerating them for one's own purposes could be. Just saying... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #15

I think you are right libodem Dec 2013 #13

I don't find your argument unreasonable. It just seems unnecessary in some ways, to me at least. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #16

I don't hate women although I've been accused of that. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #19

And you *are* a woman. That's the ridiculous part. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #20

Exactly my point. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #21

Which still is, and always was, a worthy ideal. Denigrating men as a gender because they have nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #22

If ... In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #23

Several things. westerebus Dec 2013 #24

I don't disagree with a single thing you said. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #25

Thanks. nt westerebus Dec 2013 #26

Human culture seems so steeped in violence and dysfunction, all around. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #27

Could be we need a shift in focus. westerebus Dec 2013 #29

CPS cases of sexual abuse of children is on the decline. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #28

Thanks for the link. westerebus Dec 2013 #30

Seems to follow the general decline in violent crime. So it makes sense, yeah. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #31

"Tone arguments" also are not misogyny Bonobo Dec 2013 #32

Defamation pretty much fits the definition of assholery Major Nikon Dec 2013 #33

Not to get on your case or anything, but I don't see a great deal wrong with the OP there. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #34

Women vote in greater numbers than men Major Nikon Dec 2013 #35

True. And yet none of us are immune to cultural biases which affect, among many other things, our nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #36

So... the 53% voting bloc don't have electoral clout because some of them vote wrong? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #37

I never said they didn't have clout. Women voters have been crucial to the Dem Party nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #38

The difference between men and women's attitudes on abortion are in the single digits Major Nikon Dec 2013 #41

I didn't say or imply it was split along gender lines. I'm not monolithically blaming "men" *at all* nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #42

True Major Nikon Dec 2013 #43

The ERA should probably be resurrected, though who knows if it would pass nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #45

I don't have issues with women working politically to correct problems which affect women Major Nikon Dec 2013 #46

I agree. But I don't think something like the VAWA violates the spirit of equality. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #48

Laws *could* be written to address prison sexual abuse or provide contraceptive coverage... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Absolutely. Might require a bit of creativity, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #50

Why do you think it wouldn't pass? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #47

And those cultural biases disparately affect both men and women in different ways Major Nikon Dec 2013 #39

I gave it a shot anyway. See post #38. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #40

I don't think you're blaming (Males) the menz. westerebus Dec 2013 #44

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to reply to this: Dash87 Dec 2013 #51

Fantastic post. I might have a minor issue with a couple points, but basically you've got it covered nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #52

All are fair points Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

This seems like a timely thread. Bonobo Jan 2014 #54

Would that everyone agree with that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #55