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Bonobo

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54. This seems like a timely thread.

Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:20 PM

Jan 2014

The attempt to bend the definition of misogyny is interesting.

The MEANING (and yes, meanings are important) is "hatred of women".

Shifting direction to say that "misogynists often say this or that" and then saying therefore that people that say "this or that" are misogynists is not only faulty logic, but faulty logic of a rather sophomoric quality.

It is weak thinking and must be dismissed.

Words mean things and they don't mean what they don't mean.

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Something making you feel bad isn't the same as Misogyny [View all] Bonobo Dec 2013 OP

Man A disagreeing with Woman B's opinion is not misogyny ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #1

Not a bad idea Major Nikon Dec 2013 #5

Of course, also part of the equation.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #6

any time you disagree with one, that's what you are leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #2

Please be specific ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #4

The observation that a woman is overweight lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #3

What I find strange about Jennifer Lawrence is.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #7

How did you get the link that way? Upton Dec 2013 #10

Highlight the text you want to be a hyperlink lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #11

Like this? Upton Dec 2013 #12

But focusing excessively women's appearance, and not men's, *is* rooted in misogyny nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #14

No. Misogyny is hatred of women. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #17

Not making a huge distinction Bonobo Dec 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Dec 2013 #8

Pointing out the biological differences between men and women.. Upton Dec 2013 #9

But exaggerating them for one's own purposes could be. Just saying... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #15

I think you are right libodem Dec 2013 #13

I don't find your argument unreasonable. It just seems unnecessary in some ways, to me at least. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #16

I don't hate women although I've been accused of that. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #19

And you *are* a woman. That's the ridiculous part. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #20

Exactly my point. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #21

Which still is, and always was, a worthy ideal. Denigrating men as a gender because they have nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #22

If ... In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #23

Several things. westerebus Dec 2013 #24

I don't disagree with a single thing you said. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #25

Thanks. nt westerebus Dec 2013 #26

Human culture seems so steeped in violence and dysfunction, all around. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #27

Could be we need a shift in focus. westerebus Dec 2013 #29

CPS cases of sexual abuse of children is on the decline. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #28

Thanks for the link. westerebus Dec 2013 #30

Seems to follow the general decline in violent crime. So it makes sense, yeah. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #31

"Tone arguments" also are not misogyny Bonobo Dec 2013 #32

Defamation pretty much fits the definition of assholery Major Nikon Dec 2013 #33

Not to get on your case or anything, but I don't see a great deal wrong with the OP there. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #34

Women vote in greater numbers than men Major Nikon Dec 2013 #35

True. And yet none of us are immune to cultural biases which affect, among many other things, our nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #36

So... the 53% voting bloc don't have electoral clout because some of them vote wrong? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #37

I never said they didn't have clout. Women voters have been crucial to the Dem Party nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #38

The difference between men and women's attitudes on abortion are in the single digits Major Nikon Dec 2013 #41

I didn't say or imply it was split along gender lines. I'm not monolithically blaming "men" *at all* nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #42

True Major Nikon Dec 2013 #43

The ERA should probably be resurrected, though who knows if it would pass nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #45

I don't have issues with women working politically to correct problems which affect women Major Nikon Dec 2013 #46

I agree. But I don't think something like the VAWA violates the spirit of equality. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #48

Laws *could* be written to address prison sexual abuse or provide contraceptive coverage... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Absolutely. Might require a bit of creativity, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #50

Why do you think it wouldn't pass? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #47

And those cultural biases disparately affect both men and women in different ways Major Nikon Dec 2013 #39

I gave it a shot anyway. See post #38. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #40

I don't think you're blaming (Males) the menz. westerebus Dec 2013 #44

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to reply to this: Dash87 Dec 2013 #51

Fantastic post. I might have a minor issue with a couple points, but basically you've got it covered nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #52

All are fair points Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

This seems like a timely thread. Bonobo Jan 2014 #54

Would that everyone agree with that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #55