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kjones

(1,059 posts)
34. "I do agree with you in that how something is said and the context in which it is conveyed..."
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:20 PM
Dec 2014

I don't think we disagree that much.

I'm an anthropologist (the field that includes linguistics, symbolic and otherwise, and
which championed cultural relativity). I'm definitely aware that meaning has power.
Meaning is based on context of both or all people involved. So, I'm free to change
what I say to fit who is hearing it.

The message board example illustrates that. In that example, you're not pointing out the
power of words, you're pointing out the power of ambiguous meaning. Of course, some
people really are simply opposed to the word itself, meaning or no.
If the history of language has shown us anything, it's that words and meaning don't have to be
too closely aligned (ex. "faggot" as a bundle of sticks, or obscenities becoming acceptable
words and vice versa).

Communication is a lot more nuanced than most people would make it out to seem (so I guess
you are right, they aren't "just words&quot . The meaning of words is neither stable across time, or
even currently agreed upon. Even when meaning is generally agreed upon, people are still free
to appropriate language as they see fit....their only bounds are the limits of understanding
between sender and receiver. Hence, I would not try to use the language I use with
my best friend (playfully abusive) with someone like my colleagues or, I guess, you.
I suppose it's not that they are "too serious" or I am "too casual." We simply use different
sets of language and meaning. People can always adjust though, to the context.

I still think that focusing on implicit insults is low hanging fruit when you compare it to
discrimination/persecution/sexism which allowed to continue because it is deemed
socially acceptable...things that seem to always fly under the radar.

Basically, just because you use slurs doesn't make you a bigot, and not all bigots use slurs.
The words are, at most, a symptom. So why focus on words when you can focus on bigots?
That's my perspective anyway.

Well, another cowardly attack... [View all] TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 OP
At least we are not blocked from here libodem Dec 2014 #1
and dusting off old platitudes and rec'ing them onto the greatest page Doctor_J Jan 2015 #44
It's a curious phenomenon libodem Jan 2015 #45
Oh, I don't think you were attacked by cowards malthaussen Dec 2014 #2
In a protected group where I can't reply... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #5
I'd advise you not to confuse grousing with attack malthaussen Dec 2014 #7
I agree with most of what you've stated... Veilex Dec 2014 #16
"Should the expected alert be successful, I will assume m y point proven." NCTraveler Dec 2014 #3
I avoided that thread, but I do try to be consistent. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #4
I'm just not really into word policing Major Nikon Dec 2014 #6
As in many things, it's not binary. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #10
That's why pointing out the motivation is important Major Nikon Dec 2014 #11
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #21
Wait, what's wrong with shrill? And hasn't "hysteria" developed well beyond it's origins by now? kjones Dec 2014 #14
Darnit! You beat me to the Betty white posting! Veilex Dec 2014 #17
I was on the jury Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #8
Hmmm Veilex Dec 2014 #18
Just for the record-- this is not my alert... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #23
I wouldn't have voted to hide that one Major Nikon Dec 2014 #24
a couple months back I posted that someone offended by the sleeze at DI Doctor_J Dec 2014 #9
Times when the words "echo chamber" is apt. Veilex Dec 2014 #19
Dick Cheney doesn't bother them. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #12
Bullshit. JTFrog Dec 2014 #29
Can't we just agree that he is both a pussy and a Dick? kjones Dec 2014 #13
No. Veilex Dec 2014 #20
Personally, I think people take things too seriously. kjones Dec 2014 #25
We differ a bit on this... Veilex Dec 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #27
Getting the menu mixed up with the meal, as it were. Confusing the map with the territory. Veilex Dec 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #30
*Shrug* Veilex Dec 2014 #33
Demands for a double standard aren't reasonable Major Nikon Dec 2014 #31
"Demands for a double standard aren't reasonable" - But that is not what this is. Veilex Dec 2014 #32
"The world will still turn, the sun will still shine..." kjones Dec 2014 #35
I was responding to your post, but perhaps we both misunderstood each other Major Nikon Dec 2014 #36
"that's not the argument that's being made elsewhere on this site" - true. Veilex Dec 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #43
Very well said. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #37
"I do agree with you in that how something is said and the context in which it is conveyed..." kjones Dec 2014 #34
"So why focus on words when you can focus on bigots?" - perhaps its because... Veilex Dec 2014 #39
Fair enough kjones Dec 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #15
I'd like to start a pool. Whoever guesses the correct amount of replies to such threads, wins! Inkfreak Dec 2014 #22
619 and still growing Major Nikon Dec 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #42
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