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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:44 PM Jan 2013

An Ugly Attack on Lonely Males and What it Represents (Beta Male Infighting) [View all]

Here is the hate-spewing, mocking article by a major jerk named Hugo who writes for Jezebel. This article:
http://jezebel.com/5972788/no-one-is-entitled-to-sex-why-we-should-mock-the-nice-guys-of-okcupid?popular=true
This article is in response to lonely men on OK Cupid who try to make appeals to prospective partners on the web by saying that they are "nice men". The article by "Hugo" mocks them and makes a point of trying to show how they are entitled and not even REALLY nice men in the way that he ACTUALLY is. This is a form of "Beta Male Infighting".
The concept of Beta Males is a bit too much to go into here, but I encourage you all to read up on it if you want to understand some of the more vicious attacks from other men that you see here on DU.


What's on offer isn't just an opportunity to snort derisively at the socially awkward; it's a chance to talk about the very real problem of male sexual entitlement. The great unifying theme of the curated profiles is indignation. These are young men who were told that if they were nice, then, as Laurie Penny puts it, they feel that women "must be obliged to have sex with them." The subtext of virtually all of their profiles, the mournful and the bilious alike, is that these young men feel cheated. Raised to believe in a perverse social/sexual contract that promised access to women's bodies in exchange for rote expressions of kindness, these boys have at least begun to learn that there is no Magic Sex Fairy. And while they're still hopeful enough to put up a dating profile in the first place, the Nice Guys sabotage their chances of ever getting laid with their inability to conceal their own aggrieved self-righteousness.

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Commentary on the above nasty piece of work by Beta Male representative Hugo:
http://theredpillroom.blogspot.jp/2013/01/humiliating-omegas-for-greater-good.html

That's right. These men don't deserve to have sex, according to Hugo. They do deserve to be pilloried in public, humiliated and openly demeaned because they want to have sex but are unclear about how to do that. Reproductive rights are for women, not men, apparently. The right to express your sexuality and sexual desires is for women. If men do it, it's "creepy". Women have all sorts of rights to all sorts of things, from the concrete to the nebulous. (Excluding, of course, the right to be compelled to die for their country -- let's not get unreasonable, shall we?). But men don't have a right to have sex. Especially ugly men with no social skills. You're a LOSER, and Hugo thinks you should suffer for it. You, as a dude have NO RIGHT to have sex.

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Isn't the whole point of something like "OK Cupid" to put oneself out there as a potential partner? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #1
Ah, come on libodem Jan 2013 #2
Isn't the whole point of a dating site like "OK Cupid" to promote oneself to potential partners? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #3
Hi libodem Jan 2013 #19
Where did the false flag of "feel entitled to" come from? Bonobo Jan 2013 #4
okay libodem Jan 2013 #5
The idea that Hugo is promoting is bullshit Major Nikon Jan 2013 #7
If "friendzoned" is such an offensive term.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #13
And i would add that There is nothing wrong with anyone- of either gender- looking for Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24
Sounds like "Hugo" has some issues of his own. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #26
hey libodem Jan 2013 #20
No problem. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #23
Its a confusingly constructed article. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #25
The article wasn't aimed at nice guys. caseymoz Jan 2013 #6
The ambiguity in the tone of the article stems from the phenomena I am getting at. Bonobo Jan 2013 #8
The problem comes in with his definition of "dick" Major Nikon Jan 2013 #9
Well,speaking as an epsilon male. Denninmi Jan 2013 #10
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #11
Hmmm. Would similar, enthusiastic defense of the pillorying of a "fat acceptance" blog for women be Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #15
I think the men's group needs some sanctuary... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #17
Like I said, that question wasn't directed at you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #18
The people trolling this group for reasons to hide posts are pathetic. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #21
Wow. Bonobo Jan 2013 #22
The guy in the profile seems like an asshole ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #12
He didn't pick the ones that people were ridiculing Major Nikon Jan 2013 #14
I can't make heads or tails out of it, because it's been photoshopped into illegibility. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16
Wow! I will admit that I haven't taken the time to study this particular controversy . . . radicalliberal Jan 2013 #27
There are a lot of axes- that need constant grinding. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #28
How true! How true! radicalliberal Jan 2013 #29
Oh, that would never happen. Never. Denninmi Jan 2013 #30
I assume you're referring to Hugo Schwyzer. radicalliberal Jan 2013 #31
Well, really I was thinking in more general terms, Denninmi Jan 2013 #32
I see what you were thinking. There is a lot of that going around. radicalliberal Jan 2013 #33
That is so cool. I love it. Denninmi Jan 2013 #35
The point of the article, I believe, is sexual entitlement. Dash87 Jan 2013 #34
To a degree. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #36
'Nice Guy' #1 - Do you believe that men should be the heads of their households? "Yes." redqueen Jan 2013 #37
Apparently, at this time the point is moot. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #38
Fairly chosen how? redqueen Jan 2013 #39
That's one great thing about the internet. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #40
You compared misogynist assholes to overweight, unattractive women... redqueen Jan 2013 #41
If a woman posted on a fat acceptance blog that "most men are shallow shits who only want Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #42
It's a great question ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #44
And the point isn't that these guys are shining examples of humanity. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #47
It was basically a "See....we found some assholes who say they are nice guys!" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #48
Again, it's this lame idea that there are these defective stereotypical "types" of men. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #51
Fairly chosen as per the idea of the tumblr itself. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #43
+1. They feel like they're entitled to any women they want. Dash87 Jan 2013 #45
And again, if you were to read, say, a "fat acceptance blog" where women complained about Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #46
That statement would be misandry. Dash87 Jan 2013 #49
I think the whole "nice guy" thing is a trope. It's a trope from the end of the guys who say Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #50
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