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13. in the long-run, it's mostly a transfer of wealth from savers to borrowers
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jan 2022

i can't readily quantify how many people benefit vs. how many people lose. i suspect there are more losers than winners in terms of the wealth transfer for the main reason that the winning mostly comes in the form of a fixed-rate mortgage, which for most people is by far their biggest investment of their life, and the losing mostly comes in the form of retirees whose fixed income and retirement savings are largely if not entirely invested in debt. i'm not sure, doubt the typical retiree has savings on a par with this typical mortgage, so i think there are more of them. but i'm not certain, i could be wrong.


that said, virtually everyone, including the long-term winners, experiences the short-term cash flow problem that expenses nearly always rise faster than income for almost everyone. the homeowner's gain is in a long-term, illiquid asset, but the rising expenses are here today. a home equity loan could solve this problem, but then of course you're borrowing some money at the current, higher rates.


in the corporate world, it creates winners and losers similarly. companies sitting on vast amounts of cash are not happy right now. but struggling companies that have been borrowing may have an easier time of it -- at least until they have to roll over their debt. such companies race to hike prices and make enough profit so they're in a position to handle it when their debt comes due and they have to refinance at a higher rate, but until then, they can make extra profit which may see them through. if they make enough extra profit, they can reduce their debt. it's a race, but if they succeed, they inflation can help them out of their debt. of course, the company raising prices contributes to inflation....


note that i'm not saying inflation is purely bad, i agree there are winners, in fact a lot of them, in the long-run at least, as long as inflation doesn't get out of hand. it's just that there are also many losers and inconveniences for everyone.

it's not like unemployment, which is more of an unmitigated problem. personally, i think the fed should generally weigh fighting unemployment more heavily than fighting inflation. but at the moment, inflation is high and unemployment is low, so having interest rates near zero does seem hard to defend....

Yes, it is terrible, I lived thru the 70's, and early 80s progree Jan 2022 #1
Inflation adjusted Median household income is up in 2021 Cicada Jan 2022 #4
OK you got me on the median household income up in 2021 vs. 2020 - thanks to many more progree Jan 2022 #7
Inflation is complicated in practice. unblock Jan 2022 #2
During the year 2021, no lag, median household income rose more than 9%, inflation plus 3 Cicada Jan 2022 #6
... progree Jan 2022 #9
Progee 64% of Americans have a mortgage Cicada Jan 2022 #15
Simulation: The mortgage holders and other fixed rate debt holders benefit in the short run, progree Jan 2022 #26
in the long-run, it's mostly a transfer of wealth from savers to borrowers unblock Jan 2022 #13
Median households in 2021 had 9% income gain, bigger than 6% inflation Cicada Jan 2022 #16
Where are you seeing that income stat? unblock Jan 2022 #17
Here is my source for income outpacing inflation Cicada Jan 2022 #18
There's a lot of good news in the economy especially for the working poor unblock Jan 2022 #22
A lot of us here are on fixed incomes left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #3
Those getting social security and govt retirement get pay hikes equal to inflation Cicada Jan 2022 #5
Sustained inflation over a long period of time certainly helps Tomconroy Jan 2022 #8
If you believe that the official inflation adjustment applies exactly to your own expenses, it does MichMan Jan 2022 #11
social security adjustments both lag and underadjust for consumer inflation unblock Jan 2022 #14
I agree social security should use a better cola adjustment Cicada Jan 2022 #20
Median household income up 9%? Throck Jan 2022 #10
9% is household income, more spouses got jobs, less part time work Cicada Jan 2022 #21
Inflation affects retired people on a fixed income more than most. Sure we get a COLA raise doc03 Jan 2022 #12
Several hours after my post here CNN stole my story Cicada Jan 2022 #19
When you pay debt you're only funding the billionaires banks. Throck Jan 2022 #23
We need to reduce housing costs Cicada Jan 2022 #24
High inflation increases housing costs MichMan Jan 2022 #25
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