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10. Medicare premium surcharges is one of the stealth taxes that go up as AGI goes up
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:51 PM
Dec 2019

Here's a good article on the Medicare premium surcharges and their history (which has bipartisan parentage).

Medicare’s Income-Related Premiums Under Current Law and Changes for 2019 (Part B and Part D Medicare Premium Surcharges), Kaiser Family Foundation, 10/31/18

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/medicares-income-related-premiums-under-current-law-and-changes-for-2019/


The Medicare part B and part D premium surcharges are two of what are called the stealth taxes -- where your actual marginal rate is higher than what the regular income tax tables show.

Another is taxation of Social Security benefits -- as your income goes up, more of your Social Security benefit is taxed. I'm at the maximum in this regard: 85% of my Social Security benefits are added to my taxable income. And more and more people each year are getting more and more of their Social Security benefits taxed, because the IRS doesn't adjust the income thresholds for inflation.

This Social Security tax calculator determines the amount of your Social Security benefits that is taxable

. . . http://www.calcxml.com/calculators/how-much-of-my-social-security-benefit-may-be-taxed

For both these stealth taxes, the income that matters is AGI - Adjusted Gross Income. Capital gains and qualified dividends are counted the same as other income in determining the AGI. And yes, IRA Required Minimum Distributions, or any IRA distribution where one moves money from an IRA to a regular taxable account (or just plain cashes out) is part of AGI too.

Another stealth tax -- for those who are lucky enough to be able to itemize deductions -- only medical expenses above 10% of AGI are deductible. Thus as your AGI goes up, the medical expense deduction goes down (assuming any of it is deductible in the first place).

And another: the foreign tax credit is also tied to the AGI.

On inherited IRA's - My sister and I inherited an ordinary traditional IRA that my parents set up in a trust before they passed (the last one passed in 2004). We split the account and were each able to roll that over into our own individual Beneficiary Designation Account IRA (BDA-IRA) where we only have to take Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) based on our ages. (We were, and are, both under age 70.5). So there isn't a big tax hit in one year, but rather smaller ones each year spread over our remaining life expectancies (sort of).

In the initial year we had to look up the divisor to use from an IRS table, based on our ages. For me, the divisor was 29.6. Meaning that in the first year I had to take a distribution of 1/29.6 = 3.38% of the end-of-year account's value. So if the account value at the end of year was $100,000, I'd have to take an RMD distribution of $100,000/29.6 = $3,378.

Each year thereafter, the divisor decreases by one. And each year I have to take an RMD distribution calculated as end-of-year account balance divided by Divisor.

In 2018 the divisor was 16.6, meaning I only had to take 1/16.6 = 6.02% of the account's value as an RMD distribution in 2018.

I'm surprised to hear that yours was all distributed and taxed in the first year. If one screws up, one has to RMD it all in 5 years. I've never heard of being forced to RMD it all away in one year.

A great resource of really knowledgeable helpful people about IRAs -- at least the last time I used it which was more than 10 years ago -- is irahelp.com

Good lord,I was completely unaware of this type of thing. virgogal Dec 2019 #1
Since this was a non recurring event can you appeal and have it lowered for 2021, badhair77 Dec 2019 #2
It will go back to whatever 2021 premium will be based on this sinkingfeeling Dec 2019 #3
I wonder if that applies to those over 70.5 Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #4
If those RMDs raise your income above $87,000 (single) or sinkingfeeling Dec 2019 #5
I should be well under those numbers, but it still sucks Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #6
not at all a tax or estate planning expert, but i thought the estate pays all taxes unblock Dec 2019 #7
I think unblock is right. Though I'm not a tax person either, so get expert advice... Pobeka Dec 2019 #8
ss routinely cheats other groups of ppl as well nt msongs Dec 2019 #9
Not SS, but our past congresses and presidents KPN Dec 2019 #13
Medicare premium surcharges is one of the stealth taxes that go up as AGI goes up progree Dec 2019 #10
I had no IRA to roll the cashed out one into. I also was already sinkingfeeling Dec 2019 #11
A person can be retired with no IRA and get a BDA-IRA set up. progree Dec 2019 #12
The problem seems to be that your sister's trust required you to cash in her IRA. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #14
You are correct. sinkingfeeling Dec 2019 #15
Why would any competent estate attorney write a trust that REQUIRES the liquidation of an progree Dec 2019 #16
That may likewise be true. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #17
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