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14. EDITED - you apparently are right, looking at the paper (NBER link).
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 05:09 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)

https://money.com/stock-ownership-10-percent-richest/

“Despite the fact that almost half of all households owned stock shares either directly or indirectly through mutual funds, trusts, or various pension accounts, the richest 10% of households controlled 84% of the total value of these stocks in 2016,” Wolff writes.


emphasis on the word "indirectly". (but read on, where in the NBER paper, defined benefit pension plans are apparently excluded, but will have to read a little more)

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-biggest-bull-market-ever-yet-disaster-looms-for-millions-of-retirees-2019-07-18

https://www.nber.org/papers/w24085.pdf

EDITED - Just flying through the last link searching on the word "pension", but not doing any more reading for context --

Hit #5, p. 6 -
Also excluded here is the value of future Social Security benefits the family may receive upon retirement (usually referred to as "Social Security wealth" ), as well as the value of retirement benefits
from defined benefit pension plans ("DB pension wealth" ). Even though these funds are a source of
future income to families, they are not in their direct control and cannot be marketed.

Hit #56, p. 35 -
However, a full appraisal of retirement preparedness would also require a consideration of defined benefit pensions and Social Security.


It appears that "pension" in his statistic only covers Defined Contribution plans (e.g. 401k's), not what I think of as a pension at all. I have never heard the word pension applied to 401k or Defined Contribution plans before.

That said, how many people are covered by traditional pensions (defined benefit) anymore? And the majority who are fortunate enough to have pensions probably also own stocks by other means (401k's, IRAs, mutual funds, direct stock ownership) that are covered by his statistic.

Are we talking outright stock? RandySF Feb 2020 #1
It includes stocks held in mutual funds progree Feb 2020 #4
Then it has to be more than half. RandySF Feb 2020 #5
Then what has to be more than half? progree Feb 2020 #6
I think the article is off. RandySF Feb 2020 #8
It could be. But why do you think so? It is a much quoted statistic progree Feb 2020 #9
Marketwatch?? They depend on more stock buyers! at140 Feb 2020 #16
There are many more than just Marketwatch quoting that statistic progree Feb 2020 #20
I wonder.... lastlib Feb 2020 #24
Well, 55% of Americans said they own stock in 2019 (was 63% in 2004) - Gallup progree Feb 2020 #15
Good point to make! A gross distribution of wealth in this country, which should have never... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #2
A very clever way to pitch one's primary candidate outside of the Democratic Primaries Forum progree Feb 2020 #3
My candidate preference is not important, the subject matter of thread is! at140 Feb 2020 #17
The admins instructions are clear - and there was a good reason for them. We don't progree Feb 2020 #18
To answer your tax question -- I got screwed a bit progree Feb 2020 #19
I've been on the road all day and only just saw this thread a short while ago..... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2020 #21
OK, I will edit my post...as the mention of Warren was incidental. at140 Feb 2020 #22
Fair enough. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2020 #23
Vanguard use to use Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #7
I own stock jls4561 Feb 2020 #10
There are other places to invest Progressive dog Feb 2020 #11
True. Pension plans are included in the stock ownership statistics cited in the OP progree Feb 2020 #12
Defined benefit plans are not Progressive dog Feb 2020 #13
EDITED - you apparently are right, looking at the paper (NBER link). progree Feb 2020 #14
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