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nmmi

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30. Absolutely. One advice that I keep reading consistently, is to never pay taxes from an IRA account, always pay the
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 07:26 PM
Nov 29

taxes from a regular taxable account. If one pays the taxes from the IRA, the conversion NEVER works out economically from what they say. I'm not sure about that, but I do know that one is better off paying the taxes out of regular taxable money.

The OP said she is paying taxes from her checking account, which is probably a regular taxable account, in which case she is fine.

On reading another comment someone else made -- I believe that if one specifies say a 10% or 20% tax withholding to pay taxes on the conversion or withdrawal -- that it will, by default, be taken from a taxable account that one designates, at least at Fidelity and Vanguard where I've done this once or twice on conversions (at Vanguard), and on RMD withdrawals (at Fidelity). They will warn you if you try to do otherwise (if you try to pay taxes from an IRA account) No complicated instructions are needed to be made to the custodian. At least that's my experience at Vanguard and Fidelity.

As an aside, I usually don't do the 10% or 20% or whatever tax withholding (one can select their own percentage) when I do the conversion or take an RMD withdrawal, I just make sure I pay enough quarterly estimated taxes (from my bank's checking account -- a regular taxable account, via EFTPS - EFTPS is explained by question everything in posts #13 and #14). But sometimes doing the withholding during the conversion/withdrawal makes sense but that's getting into the weeds (the IRS considers that tax withholding to be spread out evenly through the year, even if one does the conversion/withdrawal in, say, December. And why that can be important is another trip to the weeds).

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"The question is not whether that makes financial sense." mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #1
Thanks. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #2
Capital gains is a non-issue with IRAs. One is taxed on the value of the IRA at the time of withdrawal or conversion nmmi Nov 29 #15
Thank you. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #16
You're welcome. And I am so relieved you are considering doing small conversion amounts at a time nmmi Nov 29 #18
You are so nice to be relieved on my account. Thank you. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #19
I do a small rollover like this every year Shermann Nov 29 #3
Thanks. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #4
Form 1040-ES Estimated Tax for Individuals mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #5
Oh thank you! Susan Calvin Nov 29 #6
You should get your November monthly statement from whoever runs your IRA in a few days. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #7
Oh great, one more thing to deal with. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #8
She will have no capital gains to separate out kansasobama Nov 29 #28
You don't have to wait to Jan 15. We pay the last estimated around the middle of December question everything Nov 29 #14
I think yours is the best advice I have received, Susan Calvin Nov 29 #12
I don't know your age. But I converted part of my IRA to a Roth at 64 one year before doc03 Nov 29 #9
I hadn't thought about that. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #10
Oh ouch. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #11
Are both the traditional and Roth with the same custodian? No forms are needed question everything Nov 29 #13
They are. It was only the estimated taxes I was concerned about. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #17
Also, depending on the amount you may be subjected to Alternative Minimum tax. question everything Nov 29 #20
Oh it's nowhere near enough for that. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #21
You might consider NOT doing any Roth conversions -- nmmi Nov 29 #22
Thank you for all the detailed advice. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #23
Interesting - 20 years is my base case default assumption on longevity in my spreadsheet nmmi Nov 29 #24
Oh I'm sure it's not too intuitive. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #25
If you can, spread it out until 2032 kansasobama Nov 29 #26
I'm not worried. I don't think I ever said or implied that I was. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #31
Penalty is minimal even if you do not pay estimated taxes on time kansasobama Nov 30 #37
Another sugestion when you convert from a IRA to the Roth if you have enough doc03 Nov 29 #27
Good advice although kansasobama Nov 29 #29
Absolutely. One advice that I keep reading consistently, is to never pay taxes from an IRA account, always pay the nmmi Nov 29 #30
I'm glad I asked the question, as long as y'all didn't mind replying. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #33
And then there is the NOT-simple matter about how much estimated tax to pay nmmi Nov 30 #34
I don't think that's going to be a problem in my particular case, but Susan Calvin Nov 30 #35
I use TurboTax to do my taxes and file online. Then when I get it right I print my tax return to have a permanent nmmi Nov 30 #36
Yes, that was my plan. Susan Calvin Nov 29 #32
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