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Starry Messenger

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:27 PM Sep 2012

Is poverty destiny? Ideology vs. evidence in school reform [View all]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/is-poverty-destiny-ideology-vs-evidence-in-school-reform/2012/09/18/cf121d2e-0201-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_blog.html



At the center of the school reform debate is the role that poverty plays in student achievement, as explained well in the following post. It was written by Paul Thomas, an associate professor of education at Furman University in South Carolina. His newest book, “Ignoring Poverty in the U.S. — The Corporate Takeover of Public Education,” was recently published. A version of this post appeared on dailykos.com. This is long but worth the time.

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The short answer, then, to whether or not poverty is destiny in the Unite States is “yes.” In fact, all categories of socioeconomic status in the United States are primarily static. In other words, the majority of people in the United States remain in the social class of their birth.

Poverty is destiny, and affluence is destiny in the United States. And these facts have almost nothing to do with the effort of anyone in those categories.

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Why, then, do the ideological claims of “No Excuses” Reformers resonate with the public against the weight of evidence?

Sawhill and Morton show that the American public holds unique beliefs about equity that contrast significantly with most other countries. Americans disproportionately believe that the United States is a meritocracy (people are rewarded for intelligence, skill, and effort), but reject the notion that people need to start with privilege in order to succeed, that income inequity is too large, and that government should help alleviate opportunity inequities.



The whole article is long and fascinating but the bolded section (I bolded it) really caught my eye. Why, against all evidence, do Americans believe in magic merit dust? I've never felt like opportunity was just around the corner for me, but maybe I just grew up gloomy. And realistic...
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This line stands out for me: LWolf Sep 2012 #1
I think one of the reasons is that within living memory americans (my grandparents and parents' HiPointDem Sep 2012 #2
"Magic merit dust" -- there's a memorable phrase. :^) eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #3
"But our mythology has never caught up with the facts." Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #4
Don't be so quick to denounce it as a myth. Igel Sep 2012 #6
Colleges are not efficient? At what? mbperrin Sep 2012 #7
"if you can compete, you can move up". everyone can compete. most people lose. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #8
Do you mean your assertion to apply to professional athletes? If not how do you define exceptions?nt jody Sep 2012 #13
OR upward mobility is more restricted to STEM fields and some entertainment fields. nt jody Sep 2012 #14
If most jobs are of the burger-flipping variety, that means most people will not be 'competitive,' HiPointDem Dec 2012 #20
Didn't the Head Start Program have any effect on reducing poverty? jody Sep 2012 #5
head start has no effect on the poverty rate. it's an educational enrichment program intended HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9
OK Head Start has only minor effects on children. Its purpose is jody Sep 2012 #10
it has been successful. it's the most successful educational intervention ever. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #11
You assert Head Start is the "most successful educational intervention ever" but on what factor? jody Sep 2012 #12
Head start has been around for nearly 50 years and has been studied intensively over that time. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #15
I understand, your mind is made up so reject facts even the "Head Start Impact Study". I want to jody Sep 2012 #16
Children remain mired in poverty because wealth is becoming more concentrated. The one follows HiPointDem Sep 2012 #17
Is poverty destiny? Ideology vs. evidence in school reform GMR Transcription Dec 2012 #18
Members, I'm pretty sure this account is a spam bot. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #19
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