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HiPointDem

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2. I think one of the reasons is that within living memory americans (my grandparents and parents'
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:02 PM
Sep 2012

generation) made the transition from farm to office.

When I was a kid there were still people I knew of living without running water and electricy, outdoor toilets, etc., raising a lot of their own food largely outside the market economy.

The WW2 generation, a significant percent, went from those conditions or somewhat better into factories & offices, & sent their kids to college to see them enter the professions. That seemed like a huge improvement, partly due to their own hard work, scrimping, etc, & that memory of 'rising' is still cherished in a lot of families -- even though it had more to do with an overall societal/economic transformation than any individual's hard work.

It sure is a ruling myth in my family & the families of their friends, anyway. It had a huge impact on me & my siblings (somewhat pernicious, I'd say). But less so in the next generation down from mine & on, who never experienced farm life.

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This line stands out for me: LWolf Sep 2012 #1
I think one of the reasons is that within living memory americans (my grandparents and parents' HiPointDem Sep 2012 #2
"Magic merit dust" -- there's a memorable phrase. :^) eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #3
"But our mythology has never caught up with the facts." Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #4
Don't be so quick to denounce it as a myth. Igel Sep 2012 #6
Colleges are not efficient? At what? mbperrin Sep 2012 #7
"if you can compete, you can move up". everyone can compete. most people lose. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #8
Do you mean your assertion to apply to professional athletes? If not how do you define exceptions?nt jody Sep 2012 #13
OR upward mobility is more restricted to STEM fields and some entertainment fields. nt jody Sep 2012 #14
If most jobs are of the burger-flipping variety, that means most people will not be 'competitive,' HiPointDem Dec 2012 #20
Didn't the Head Start Program have any effect on reducing poverty? jody Sep 2012 #5
head start has no effect on the poverty rate. it's an educational enrichment program intended HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9
OK Head Start has only minor effects on children. Its purpose is jody Sep 2012 #10
it has been successful. it's the most successful educational intervention ever. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #11
You assert Head Start is the "most successful educational intervention ever" but on what factor? jody Sep 2012 #12
Head start has been around for nearly 50 years and has been studied intensively over that time. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #15
I understand, your mind is made up so reject facts even the "Head Start Impact Study". I want to jody Sep 2012 #16
Children remain mired in poverty because wealth is becoming more concentrated. The one follows HiPointDem Sep 2012 #17
Is poverty destiny? Ideology vs. evidence in school reform GMR Transcription Dec 2012 #18
Members, I'm pretty sure this account is a spam bot. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #19
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