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Ka hrnt

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10. I will second that.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:32 PM
Nov 2012

As you said, the neuroscience is pretty adamant: To be good at something, you have to practice, practice, practice. (It also may help instill a solid work ethic, which is by far the most important thing a kid can learn from school, in my opinion.) Obviously there can be overkill, but you have to do repetition to learn something. And yes, it's true that for some kids a few problems in class is all they need to get it down--but they are probably a fairly small minority (in the above-average intellect range).

A few other things to consider:

1. Beware the title "education expert", because nearly every person I've heard called this has been little more than an expert salesman, rather than an expert in education. (See: Robert Marzano, Douglas Reeves, Willard Dagget, etc.)
2. #1 Above is probably caused in part by the terrible standards for educational research and education colleges in general. It continues to shock me how easily so many people in charge--most of whom have Masters and Doctorates in education--of our educational system are so easily fooled by the fad du jour.
3. While I do like Alfie Kohn, I have to disagree with his "crusade" against homework; it seems focused on attacking the research opposing his beliefs, rather than providing direct support for said beliefs. I agree (#2 above) the research in education is, generally speaking, poor. But he needs to provide some evidence (research) specifically showing that homework doesn't help, which is not the same as showing that the research showing it is helpful is shaky. To me it seems his argument generally boils down to "I don't believe homework helps, the research supporting homework is inconclusive, therefore homework doesn't help."

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link to Psychology Today original article Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #1
When Kohn tweeted a link to his new blog post Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #2
that's cool, I hope he's getting paid Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #7
always thought that any good that it did was outweighed by an order of mopinko Nov 2012 #3
I absolutely agree proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #13
bulls**t DetlefK Nov 2012 #4
Why does that neural network Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #5
positive and negative feedback DetlefK Nov 2012 #12
10000000000% correct! LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #6
So why is there NO study Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #9
Oh, you mean like this? LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #19
You did read this, right? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #22
Quotes you chose to ignore when you posted your incomplete sentence . . . . LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #23
Of course homework improves grades Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #24
Well, several of us here have already shown the value of homework. LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #25
I'm not ignoring facts. Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #29
is family time less important than rote learning? Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #8
Homework should not be rote learning. LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #20
I will second that. Ka hrnt Nov 2012 #10
+1000 nt LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #27
I have just one name for you: MALCOLM GLADWELL savebigbird Dec 2012 #28
malcolm gladwell = paid propagandist HiPointDem Dec 2012 #30
The relevancy of your post confuses me. savebigbird Dec 2012 #31
gladwell is a paid liar, so why would anyone quote him on anything? yes, learning requires HiPointDem Dec 2012 #32
The quote was not being used as an exact prescription for expertness. savebigbird Dec 2012 #34
There was a big Canadian meta-study that debunked that. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #11
Kohn admits that correlation exists. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #15
Homework is practice, and kids need practice, though. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #17
Exactly right! nt LeftyLucy22 Nov 2012 #21
Right. A student who's engaged and interested is more likely to do his homework. pnwmom Nov 2012 #26
there's a study, period, to prove anything. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #33
Hence my last sentence. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #35
i meant not just in education -- in every field. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36
I hate homework. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #14
It does in music and foreign language. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #18
Absolutely right. I have not assigned any homework in 15 years. mbperrin Dec 2012 #37
I never give homework. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #16
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