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In reply to the discussion: I heard a fellow teacher say- [View all]
 

Smarmie Doofus

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22. Good question. Teacher in question is probably so swamped w. crazy-ass directives, memos....
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:14 AM
Dec 2012

.... mandates , etc. etc. etc. gushing down from our imponderably oversized education bureaucracy ( and trying to comply with same) that he hasn't fully thought through his position on grammar.

Seems to me, teaching grammar is important. Ideally, teacher should be correcting grammar *all* the time, but it's quite possible he's not permitted to do so. ( See "crazy-ass directives", etc. above). Or he can only do it in ink of a particular color. Or only on stickies affixed to the paper, and not on the work itself. Or only if the corrections are phrased in a *positive*, not *negative* way.

When you let bureaucracy grow to the extent to which we've let ed bureaucracy grow, no question ( I repeat: *no* question) is simple.

So, short answer: teach proper grammar. It facilitates communication. This is .... inarguably... a net plus.

I'd be careful of dismissing all of those people on on Craigslist, however. We're a nation of English Language Learners. Most of us WERE and many of us ARE in that category. Failure to absorb the language instantly... in all of its complexity... doesn't imply lack of intelligence, motivation or any kind of moral failing.

Off topic but not really: does anyone know where/how/if the Common Core comes down on this question? ( i.e. teaching grammar.)

Speaking of "crazy-ass", and "oversized bureaucracy."

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I heard a fellow teacher say- [View all] digonswine Dec 2012 OP
cool, if "he" is not teaching any language, we can cut "his" salary. win-win nt msongs Dec 2012 #1
Sounds like he's a science teacher and therefore not his field, AND you missed Lionessa Dec 2012 #2
I cannot now, nor really ever thought grammar makes much difference for non-writers. Lionessa Dec 2012 #3
At times I wonder if grammar is still being taught in asjr Dec 2012 #4
I think it is important sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #5
Where the ___ did that moron get his teaching credentials!?!? pegasis Dec 2012 #6
And where did you get your reading ability? Lionessa Dec 2012 #8
Yes, I did comprehend that part. pegasis Dec 2012 #9
You strongly suggest he's somehow a subpar teacher in your title and then Lionessa Dec 2012 #10
In my view... pegasis Dec 2012 #14
In many school districts, all teachers are expected to require some writing assignments as part of Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #21
As the first responder above proves, Lionessa Dec 2012 #7
Grammar happens regardless if we teach it or not. The Philosopher Dec 2012 #11
You use quotes inappropriately, the teacher never asked that. Lionessa Dec 2012 #13
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/such_as The Philosopher Dec 2012 #15
ah, but you changed his meaning so the such as becomes moot. Lionessa Dec 2012 #16
I didn't. The Philosopher Dec 2012 #18
Aha! Lionessa Dec 2012 #12
It will matter if you're hiring someone to pegasis Dec 2012 #17
As # 17 said-- digonswine Dec 2012 #19
Language always has grammar. But the rules change. Language evolves. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #20
Good question. Teacher in question is probably so swamped w. crazy-ass directives, memos.... Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #22
This certainly his feeling on the matter- digonswine Dec 2012 #23
Academic English has its own role in modern society... savebigbird Dec 2012 #24
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