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Left Turn Only

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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:47 PM Dec 2012

Why public education should be scrapped [View all]

I know I'm probably going to sound like a Republican, but we as a country are wasting hundreds of billions of tax dollars trying to prop up an education system that needs to be totally rebuilt. As a retired teacher, it appears evident to me that we could get the same results in education we are getting now with a fraction of the cost.

First of all, just because the country has become part of the global economy, eliminating the middle-class labor jobs that didn't even need a high school diploma, doesn't mean that teachers can create academic professionals out of all the students. Humans aren't put together that way, and we are not magicians. Modern education purports that students can be entertained to learn anything; this works well in movies, but, in reality, a student with cognitive, family, drug, or a myriad of other problems is not going to do as well as other students when he or she is part of a regular class, whether they are entertained or not. Students need to learn how to learn and gain satisfaction from what they have learned.

The aforementioned brings up the topic of special education. Yes, if the students with problems (behavioral or cognitive) could be trained in a unique or limited curriculum in separate classes, we will be able to help more. However, I was constantly being reminded as a teacher that education has to be more like business, i.e., evaluating teacher performance, merit pay, etc.; that being the case, how do we justify spending extra billions in order to save a few students? If your answer is take the money from someplace else or raise taxes, you are a Democrat. But the fact remains that the money is not there now, and what we are trying to do is throw students of all different abilities into one classroom and tell teachers to prepare daily lesson plans for individual students and their different problems and abilities.

Administrators and legislators like to refer to teachers as professionals when teachers are expected to work hundreds of hours on their own time. But, obviously, when it comes to improving education, it is the legislators who have never even taught, administrators who didn't like teaching and/or haven't taught in a long time, or ivory-tower professionals who also don't teach in public education who are telling actual teachers how to do their jobs. Professionals police their own ranks, and, therefore, teachers are not real professionals. My own experience with principals has been with people who taught music, art, or the gifted -- all teaching situations that encounter very different situations of what core-subject-teachers put up with. No one who actually teaches thinks it's a good idea to mix students of all abilities and problems into one class. What most people forget about teaching is the fact that we also have to manage student behavior besides teaching subject matter, and non-leveled, inclusion classes make teaching a very difficult job, but it is cheaper.

So what is the public getting for its money when it comes to educated students? Let me give you some examples of where I taught. Keep in mind every school district is different, but I'm sure some of the things I experienced are showing up elsewhere, as well as things I didn't encounter or illustrate. In order to keep students moving through the system, I taught in a middle school where students had to fail 2 major subjects to fail the year, and if they went to summer school for one of them, they passed the year. This, for example, enables students to not hand in a single writing assignment in English and pass into high school. Once in high school, teachers are pressured to pass students who missed 30 or more classes during the year while failing all their tests. This pressure is especially applied to teachers with seniors since graduation rates effect the school's report card. And for the students who do fail, fear not; they can pass with a system called Credit Recovery where they can take computer lessons with tests that they keep taking until they get the right answers in the multiple-choice questions. Without exaggeration, I've seen many students getting high school diplomas who could barely read and write; this is what we get for our money.

So the system is broke beyond repair. Parents will demand that a student who had every opportunity to pass be given a passing grade that they didn't deserve, showing how the public demands high standards in education, until their child is failing -- then, it's standards be damned. Parents will blame everyone and everything for their child's failure except their child or themselves. When a school's grade is dependent on graduation rates, does that mean that more educated students are graduating? No, it only means the schools will find more ways to graduate students; and the students have learned this; as a result, curriculum is being dummied down and made ridiculous in attempts to find work that students are WILLING to do. To truly raise academic standards, schools have to be set up as semi-independent entities where the professionals will be able to do something they are proud of.

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Why public education should be scrapped [View all] Left Turn Only Dec 2012 OP
Just get rid of Charter Schools... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #1
Charter schools should NOT exist. They are private schools duffyduff Dec 2012 #10
Well, with your standards, none of my kids would have had an education. Mass Dec 2012 #2
Partial Agree AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #3
Correction Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #11
Scrapping public education is LWolf Dec 2012 #4
duncan was the biggest promoter of private schools in chicago madrchsod Dec 2012 #6
Yes. LWolf Dec 2012 #8
Duncan is the absolute bust of the Obama cabinet. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #17
nice right wing anti union talking points. madrchsod Dec 2012 #5
Damn right! We all need to stop rooting for what "our team" stands... chaska Dec 2012 #7
The problem isn't the existence of public ed. If you are against it, duffyduff Dec 2012 #9
reconstructed...not scrapped auntsue Dec 2012 #12
starting over Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #41
If there is "malfunctioning," it's being done on purpose by the privatizers. n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #42
The best democracy money can buy Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #43
Education will never be isolated from politics proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #44
No real teacher believes in mixed ability grouping?! knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #13
Picking and choosing Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #15
Mixed ability grouping can and does work, though. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #20
Really? Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #21
My assessments are tied to the standards. Of course they are. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #34
Damn straight. Excellent response. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #18
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #37
I don't believe your post... Sancho Dec 2012 #14
Public education is NOT about what the taxpaying public gets for its money MichiganVote Dec 2012 #16
+1 n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #22
You must never have sought an advanced degree. mbperrin Jan 2013 #19
+1, especially those last couple of paragraphs duffyduff Jan 2013 #23
+1 savebigbird Jan 2013 #24
Yes, the elementary kids are far more cooperative to begin with, think that having fun is mbperrin Jan 2013 #25
It seems your views pertaining to elementary education today savebigbird Jan 2013 #33
Details? I'm in an intraschool task force where I meet mbperrin Jan 2013 #35
I am not accusing you of lying. savebigbird Jan 2013 #36
Thanks. No, I would never say that either group is working harder than the other. mbperrin Jan 2013 #39
Rightfully you just had your ass handed to you Tempest Jan 2013 #26
i agree riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #29
Free public education yellerpup Jan 2013 #27
Land Ordinance of 1785 reteachinwi Jan 2013 #31
This is wonderful to know. yellerpup Jan 2013 #32
Research and statistics reteachinwi Jan 2013 #28
Interesting title Kalidurga Jan 2013 #30
Yes, you not only sound like a Republican, you also don't sound like a teacher. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #38
'Only the educated are free.' - Epictetus Octafish Jan 2013 #40
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