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savebigbird

(417 posts)
36. I am not accusing you of lying.
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jan 2013

My intention is not to disrespect. I would never do that.

First of all, class sizes may be capped where you are, but that isn't necessarily true elsewhere. I know elementary teachers whose class sizes exceed thirty.

Also, young children do not necessarily come to primary school loving learning. Many teachers work with them to try to instill a love of learning. Planning for activities and exercises that accomplish this frequently requires a great deal of time and effort to plan, prepare, and assess. Therefore, many elementary teachers find themselves working beyond the hours they are contracted for. They aren't necessarily poor managers of time. They are implementing something complex, and that itself takes time. In your experiences with elementary students, those which exhibit a love of learning have a great teacher to thank. Whether this "teacher" is a supportive parent, a classroom teacher, or someone else, they have helped to instill a love of learning within the child.

Just because a teacher chooses to use a complex assessment tool doesn't mean that they aren't receiving immediate feedback. In fact, many of these so-called complex tools include means to generate immediate feedback.

Although you may strive to impart a valuation of hard work within your students and you find that content knowledge is not your first and only priority, elementary teachers must try to find balance between the two. Elementary level content knowledge is carried with individuals well into adult life and forms the basis for the information that secondary teachers teach.

Also, there is increasing research suggesting that certain forms of homogeneous grouping can benefit certain student populations. Heterogeneous grouping does offer social benefit and can also help certain populations of students academically, one must realize the power of being able to really focus on groups of students who are at similar performance levels. However, some degree of flexibility must be observed to ensure that students are being served at levels of understanding which are appropriate for them.

While elementary students may not typically exhibit the same types of problematic behavior that you have described in your posts, they may be the younger sibling of one of the students that do exhibit those behaviors. Many elementary kids see these things happening at home. Many are hungry, homeless, and/or extremely transient. These things detract from academics and these situations are intensely negative for the children. These are issues that are present in the elementary classroom, and I don't know of one elementary teacher who wouldn't do whatever necessary to make that child feel comfortable, at ease, and loved at school.

It's truly great that you have found great success and a sense of fulfillment in your job. Elementary teachers also find success and fulfillment in their jobs, but the challenges they face are different than what you described. Neither group is working harder or less than the other.

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Just get rid of Charter Schools... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #1
Charter schools should NOT exist. They are private schools duffyduff Dec 2012 #10
Well, with your standards, none of my kids would have had an education. Mass Dec 2012 #2
Partial Agree AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #3
Correction Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #11
Scrapping public education is LWolf Dec 2012 #4
duncan was the biggest promoter of private schools in chicago madrchsod Dec 2012 #6
Yes. LWolf Dec 2012 #8
Duncan is the absolute bust of the Obama cabinet. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #17
nice right wing anti union talking points. madrchsod Dec 2012 #5
Damn right! We all need to stop rooting for what "our team" stands... chaska Dec 2012 #7
The problem isn't the existence of public ed. If you are against it, duffyduff Dec 2012 #9
reconstructed...not scrapped auntsue Dec 2012 #12
starting over Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #41
If there is "malfunctioning," it's being done on purpose by the privatizers. n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #42
The best democracy money can buy Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #43
Education will never be isolated from politics proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #44
No real teacher believes in mixed ability grouping?! knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #13
Picking and choosing Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #15
Mixed ability grouping can and does work, though. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #20
Really? Left Turn Only Jan 2013 #21
My assessments are tied to the standards. Of course they are. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #34
Damn straight. Excellent response. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #18
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #37
I don't believe your post... Sancho Dec 2012 #14
Public education is NOT about what the taxpaying public gets for its money MichiganVote Dec 2012 #16
+1 n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #22
You must never have sought an advanced degree. mbperrin Jan 2013 #19
+1, especially those last couple of paragraphs duffyduff Jan 2013 #23
+1 savebigbird Jan 2013 #24
Yes, the elementary kids are far more cooperative to begin with, think that having fun is mbperrin Jan 2013 #25
It seems your views pertaining to elementary education today savebigbird Jan 2013 #33
Details? I'm in an intraschool task force where I meet mbperrin Jan 2013 #35
I am not accusing you of lying. savebigbird Jan 2013 #36
Thanks. No, I would never say that either group is working harder than the other. mbperrin Jan 2013 #39
Rightfully you just had your ass handed to you Tempest Jan 2013 #26
i agree riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #29
Free public education yellerpup Jan 2013 #27
Land Ordinance of 1785 reteachinwi Jan 2013 #31
This is wonderful to know. yellerpup Jan 2013 #32
Research and statistics reteachinwi Jan 2013 #28
Interesting title Kalidurga Jan 2013 #30
Yes, you not only sound like a Republican, you also don't sound like a teacher. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #38
'Only the educated are free.' - Epictetus Octafish Jan 2013 #40
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