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Igel

(36,333 posts)
5. Absolutely.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 09:05 AM
Sep 2013

I have kids doing scut work because I can't just excuse them. They'll get good grades on the test. They "got it" seconds after I said it. So they have to sit there and be bored instead of trying to find useful things to do. I get it.

But it's disaster for a lot of low-achievers, who need to have everything spoon fed and take lots of little baby steps. It's bad enough, having a kid take a test and fail it after he's not done any of the work that's intended to build mastery. Then he goes and turns in the work late.

Let's say he passes the test when he takes it several weeks later, but because he didn't know that content he failed the next test. He's running weeks behind. The semester ends and because his brain came back from summer vacation a month after his body did and nobody was allowed to kick his butt to get his brain moving, he fails.

And it really doesn't work for kids playing school. They turn in assignments without mastery, they take tests and fail, and in the end they're not going to care about Algebra II or physics, Beowulf doesn't do it for them. They're going to be farmers or welders, construction workers or truckers. They've been playing school for so long--not taking it seriously, but focusing just on checking off the boxes as they turn in assignments--that they can't do the work. Algebra II? Heck, they can't give a good answer to 9 x 8 = _____ without a calculator.

Can't separate them all out--GT kids might be separated if they reach critical mass, but unless you offer different classes and content for the high and low achievers you can't track or ability group.

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How does the student do that? femmocrat Sep 2013 #1
Some of those "pieces" have nothing to do with learning. FLyellowdog Sep 2013 #2
a real boon to gifted kids. mopinko Sep 2013 #3
Absolutely. Igel Sep 2013 #5
The real problem is for the students who need the structure and can't operate well in a chaotic mbperrin Sep 2013 #4
or maybe they will clear away the useless crap mopinko Sep 2013 #6
Do you teach? mbperrin Sep 2013 #9
don't teach in a classroom mopinko Sep 2013 #11
Might check and see if some of that mess didn't start at home. mbperrin Sep 2013 #14
Agreed, this is probably going to be a disaster... Ka hrnt Sep 2013 #7
I agree 100% on facts - sorry I didn't make that clear. mbperrin Sep 2013 #10
this-they're going to do well regardless of the situation- is a gross mistatement mopinko Sep 2013 #12
That describes our local charter school very well. LWolf Sep 2013 #24
Ugh... Ka hrnt Sep 2013 #8
School isn't supposed to be just about academics; it's also supposed to be preparation for life. n/t duffyduff Sep 2013 #17
the other side of the coin mopinko Sep 2013 #13
How's this news? I taught in a mastery school, too. knitter4democracy Sep 2013 #15
Finally, grades that are actually based on academic mastery. Busy work and brown nosing are gone. Taitertots Sep 2013 #16
That assumes LWolf Sep 2013 #18
Many people are not fortunate enough to have someone like you as their teacher Taitertots Sep 2013 #20
It sounds like that. LWolf Sep 2013 #21
You are not an anomaly... Taitertots Sep 2013 #22
That's the beauty of humanity, Taitertots. LWolf Sep 2013 #23
Those of us teaching in Oregon LWolf Sep 2013 #19
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