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21. Even in public schools, you have no real job security because school districts
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:52 AM
Sep 2013

have an arsenal of methods to get rid of unwanted teachers, and no, they don't have to be "bad" ones at all to get sacked.

"Fired" or, to use the correct bureaucratic term, "dismissed," in public ed, simply means some idiot principal has put in a "recommendation for dismissal" which the post-probationary (misnamed "tenured&quot teacher decides to appeal the dismissal to the superintendent/board and ultimately the hearing officer or panel or school board, and in some 3/4ths of the cases, they "lose" the case. Then, if they can get an outside attorney if they didn't have one already to take the case, a near impossibility, they go through the civil court system since the law restricts appeals of administrative law "cases." Administrative law, which termination hearings are part of, is a complete and total farce, manipulated with abandon by school districts. Things that would get lawyers and others disbarred or thrown in prison for in civil or criminal cases are allowed in these fake tribunals.

Even if you "win" or are "reinstated," you will have a target on your back for the rest of your career. Once you piss off public school administrators, you are cooked.

However, the overwhelming majority of teachers faced with "termination" either retire early or they resign in lieu of a dismissal, usually the latter in some mistaken belief that it will help improve their chances of getting work elsewhere. It doesn't, for it is seen by other school districts as an admission of guilt regardless if the teacher is guilty. After all, why wouldn't you appeal a dismissal since it doesn't cost you anything unless you were guilty?

And of course probationary teachers are fired all the time; school districts, however, don't call them being "fired" but instead are called "non-renewed" or "non-re-elected" in cases where the situation is NOT a layoff.

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Yes shenmue Sep 2013 #1
Yes. Adjunct professorships are draining professors and, I contend, snappyturtle Sep 2013 #2
It depends. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #3
$150K here in CSU Calif FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #7
I would think the respect, pscot Sep 2013 #4
Awesome. eppur_se_muova Sep 2013 #11
bullshit.... mike_c Sep 2013 #5
Exactly. Top administration officials have been hogging the pie, none left for mere faculty. eppur_se_muova Sep 2013 #9
And *that* has little to do with it. Igel Sep 2013 #19
Cosign and thank you. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #12
I'm seriously waiting to hear that we need to create a new $100K+ VP of parking services.... mike_c Sep 2013 #15
It's funny because it's true. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #16
I wonder if he has the guts to say the same about coaches salaries. progressoid Sep 2013 #6
More classes are taught by adjuncts than tenure track faculty... prairierose Sep 2013 #8
$82K at a community college ? Only in the wealthy counties near DC, nowhere else in the country. eppur_se_muova Sep 2013 #10
No! Bourgeoise intellectuals! Ship them to Siberia! Squinch Sep 2013 #13
Absolutely. n/t xocet Sep 2013 #14
Where I used to work redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #17
Absolutely !! warrant46 Sep 2013 #18
I don't agree with the entire premise here...many "regular" professors aren't raking in the dollars. Sancho Sep 2013 #20
Even in public schools, you have no real job security because school districts duffyduff Sep 2013 #21
Education mutian Oct 2013 #22
Of course De Leonist Nov 2013 #23
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